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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 07-21-2007 04:14 PM

quote: Steve Guttag
(if you only knew the conversations I've had with Goldberg on this

If you only knew the problems everyone HAS with Goldberg!

Just had to do this... sorry!

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Scott Norwood
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posted 07-21-2007 06:37 PM

What's the ballpark price for the save-a-reel kit? I figure that the reels are worth about $25 each, used and in fair condition. If the kit is less than that, I would probably try doing one (I have about five reels in total; they were freebies from a closed-down theatre and aren't in good enough shape to be worth spending much on). My home projectors can only accommodate 2k reels, so the 6ks only really get used for festivals and events in platter houses, anyway.

jhawk--thanks for the offer. If the conversion is cost-effective for 6k floating hubs, I'll be in touch, since it probably requires something better than a Sears power drill to do properly.

One more random semi-off-topic question for this discussion: why is it that some of the Goldberg cast aluminum 2k reels have the drive-dog "notch" and others don't? It's needed for the 1/2" shaft version, but I've seen some 5/16" reels that have it, too. Why? All of the new-production reels that I have seen have the notch, but it is relatively rare on the older ones.

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Steve Guttag
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posted 07-21-2007 08:16 PM

I don't think there are many people that deal with Goldberg as much as me...in my own little world, Changeovers dominate. I tend to order 16, 35 and 70mm reels in quantity. I'm also on the P-3 committee of SMPTE and have had several discussions regarding how the specifications relate to how reels are being made in practice (as well as spindles).

Yes, Goldberg can be difficult to deal with and you have to have done your part (and then some) before you talk with them.

As to the 2K cast reel...it has changed over the years...the current version does have the drive dog nubs and that was done to make the reel accommodate 1/2" spindles...something I don't think they should have done....you will note that these reels do not have the footage markings either. The drive dog webbings are more often than not...not properly engaged by those that use them. If you want 1/2" core 2K reels, you are better off going for sheet aluminum reels.

As for the Save-A-Reels...I'm sure they are more than you desired Price Scott...while you may think of reels as $25...a new 6K floater will set you back around $300 today. A cast 2K reel is now over $100. The cost of metals have gone up and the demand has gone down...plus there is virtually no competition. There are European reels that are based on 9mm mostly and Neumade has a limited selection

As I said, it is possible to get just the parts you will need and skip the whole kit...you will definately need the screw in rivots and the new core. Wolk used to make them though I don't know now...I haven't checked.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 07-22-2007 10:49 AM

Steve,
Its not the ordering end of things that give most folks grief. Its the lack of quality since they've converted the factory over to the "new machinery". Reels literally fall apart now, especially those larger than 6K feet. There's not any differnt hub available one can spec into the center of a 48" reel... The last time around we ordered steel wire reels instead from someplace or other... can't remember where.

Mark

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Steve Guttag
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posted 07-22-2007 10:58 AM

I can't say I'm having problems with reels falling apart nowadays...there have been some bad batches years ago. In fact, assembly in the past couple of years has improved.

That said, I don't really deal much (some) in above 25" flange reels except the MPR reels. Most of my customers prefer the "non-case" version since they are less flimsy.

For the Kinoton tower, we have used the Kinoton supplied wire-reels. They are FAR more sturdy than anything I've seen come out of Goldberg (in fact, they are beautiful if they are in the chromed version). However, in their application, their extra mass is of no consequence since Kinoton really controls the reels very well on the SPT5000K. They are also as big as one can fit on the SPT5000K...they are like 1/4" off the ground!

Steve

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