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Author Topic: Iron Man prints have locks (here we go again) Kurt Zupin Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 989 From: Maricopa, Arizona Registered: Oct 2004 posted 04-30-2008 11:47 PM                     I never understood why everyone was complaining about them being locked when nobodys going to get them till Thursday, didn't make much sense. The problem is, I know the code and it dosn't matter. Have no cans to unlock and no prints to build.  |  IP: Logged Michael Wilkinson The Entertainment King of Colusa and Beyond Posts: 89 From: Colusa, CA USA Registered: Apr 2004 posted 05-01-2008 12:01 AM                        WTF I just came in to build the and screen the print. Oh am I pissed too...I have other things and shows I have to run tomorrow. So I guess I can come in at 9AM, build it, watch it, and say f-it to everything else that needed doing Thursday...I feel really bad for those who've got 5 prints. Didn't this business used to be more fun before the been counters and piraters f-d it all up??? I'm losing the love. Someone should deliver a shrunken head to whoever came up with this b-s idea. Didn't anyone at Para----mount ever hear the saying "locks are for honest people??? Wow. BTW I never got the fax. Good work Deluxe.  |  IP: Logged Christopher Duvall Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 500 From: Denver, CO Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-01-2008 01:15 AM                     I know the codes...and they work. I will not post as Brad asked but I will tell if somebody goes through the channels outside this site.  |  IP: Logged Burleigh Ibbott Film Handler Posts: 46 From: Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, UK Registered: Jul 2006 posted 05-01-2008 02:56 AM                     Do they have locks on the UK prints too? By the way its good to see the UK release dates of films tally with the US. This will help reduce piracy.  |  IP: Logged Mike Schulz Expert Film Handler Posts: 122 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: May 2007 posted 05-01-2008 03:47 AM                     Let the record show that the five numeric digits I had previously posted here do not match the four digits required to open any of the Iron Man film cans. I was merely trying to get a chuckle out of the group here but realize this is not the place for that. Please accept my apology. -Mike [ 05-01-2008, 12:00 PM: Message edited by: Mike Schulz ]  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-01-2008 10:05 AM                        quote: Brad Miller Seriously though, anyone who does figure out the lock please do not post it here. Wow, way to pay attention, Schulz.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-01-2008 10:51 AM                        As one who will not be playing this film, and as one who generally thinks that these anti-piracy measures are worthless at best and counter-productive at worst, I'm still at a loss to figure out what the problem is here. Theatres can't open cans until Thursday, for a film that is scheduled to open on Friday? Isn't that typical, anyway? In general, it seems pretty rare for prints to be delivered more than a day before opening, anyway. I agree that this is not ideal, but I don't see how this situation is any different from the situation with most prints. Brad--you actually expect NATO to do something worthwhile? Have they done anything productive in the last decade? The only recent NATO "accomplishments" that I can think of are cyan tracks (which reduced sound quality while costing exhibitors money) and the trailer volume level thing (which was totally ineffective). They sure do like to congratulate themselves on how great they are, though.  |  IP: Logged Carey Barber Expert Film Handler Posts: 143 From: Newport News, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2003 posted 05-01-2008 11:15 AM                     quote: Kurt Zupin I never understood why everyone was complaining about them being locked when nobodys going to get them till Thursday, didn't make much sense. But, we do not get them on Thursday. We received ours on Wednesday night around 7pm, which is typical of prints shipped by Deluxe. So, these cans had to just sit there overnight before we could screen them. quote: Scott Norwood Theatres can't open cans until Thursday, for a film that is scheduled to open on Friday? Isn't that typical, anyway? Again, we received these prints on Wednesday, not Thursday, so it does create an unneccesary delay. Also, Paramount is requiring that we have an 8pm show on THURSDAY NIGHT. So, this film opens on Thursday, not Friday. Our time is getting crunched on both sides. This allows 11 hours between the time we can get the combo and must have the show on screen.  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 05-01-2008 11:40 AM                        Paramount is not REQUIRING 8pm shows. They are ALLOWING 8pm shows. Your corporate office may be REQUIRING them.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 05-01-2008 11:51 AM                     1. Mike Schulz was not serious. The combination is 4 digits. 2. A significant number of theatres get their DFS prints on Wednesdays. Not everybody, probably not most. But for those people used to it, getting [access to] the prints a day late is an annoyance, especially when schedules and processes are set around it. 3. As noted by Carey, Ironman opens today, Thursday. Getting prints on the same day is an annoyance to everyone 4. People like to complain. The loudness of the complaint does not necessarily have anything to do with the seriousness of the complaint. Often the reverse (bikeshed). 5. Exhibitor Relations aren't the right people to complain to, they handle marketing, trailers and onesheets, etc., but not print control or booking issues. That said, I suppose they could point you in the right direction, but I'd start with your booker... --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-01-2008 12:07 PM                        According to Paramount Pictures' web site, Ironman opens tomorrow (5/2). If they allow 8pm shows tonight and your theatre chooses to do an 8pm show, then that seems as if it is the theatre's problem that there is limited time between the print's arrival and the first show and not Paramount's. Again, I think that the lock thing is stupid and ineffective, but it doesn't seem as if it puts an undue burden on exhibitors. I do like the idea of shipping the print back with a different lock, however.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 05-01-2008 12:24 PM                     That's not really fair, Scott. 8pm shows tonight are a reality in any major market with competition. If your competitition is doing it, you need to do it too. All 5 theatres in Boston showing Ironman are showing it at 8pm tonight. Also, I imagine theatres committed to and made the decision for 8pm shows long before the lock question came to light. Sending the locks back with different codes is not likely to do much, other than annoy the guy at your local DFS depot who you would like to be your friend and do favors for you. It is not as if DFS appreciates the extra hassle of these locks, or the extra hassle of dealing with replacement prints on a short time window. You're taking your anger out on the wrong person. If you want to effective, one way might be to send cut-off padlocks to the executive at Paramount in charge of "Print Control" or "National Distribution" or whatever it is called. Sadly Film Journal's Distribution Guide web site seems to be broken right now, so it is a bit annoying to look up who that person is. But I wouldn't advise it anyway... --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-01-2008 12:33 PM                        Ah...I get it. It essentially _is_ a Thursday night release. In that case, I agree completely that the prints should have been available to exhibitors on Wednesday evening. (Sorry...I've been in film-festival mode for the last week or so and I'm completely out of the loop on current releases.)  |  IP: Logged Carey Barber Expert Film Handler Posts: 143 From: Newport News, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2003 posted 05-01-2008 02:27 PM                     quote: Mike Spaeth Paramount is not REQUIRING 8pm shows. They are ALLOWING 8pm shows. Your corporate office may be REQUIRING them. That's fine...My point is that I am required to play them by someone higher up than me. For my purposes, it does not matter where the order comes from. I MUST build this up Thursday morning and I MUST play it at 8pm Thursday night. FWIW, I was also told that this was coming from Paramount...I cannot really say if this is true or not. How do you know it is not coming from Paramount? Do you know that no such deal exists between AMC and Paramount? (I am asking genuinely, not sarcastically, in case it sounds that way). quote: Scott Norwood Ah...I get it. It essentially _is_ a Thursday night release. Exactly...It is, for all intents and purposes, opening on Thursday evening in many theatres. Having said this, I do not want it to sound like I am screaming mad. It is mostly an annoyance, as noted by Mr. Hawkinson. The only reason I posted in this thread was to correct some misinformation I read in other postings -- I wanted to point out that it is opening Thursday (not Friday) and that many people received their prints on Wednesday night (not Thursday morning)but could not open them. All our prints have been built up and screened and it really was not that bad. Some of the posts that are really ranting about this seem kinda silly.  |  IP: Logged Michael Wilkinson The Entertainment King of Colusa and Beyond Posts: 89 From: Colusa, CA USA Registered: Apr 2004 posted 05-01-2008 03:40 PM                        quote: Carey Barber Some of the posts that are really ranting about this seem kinda silly. Maybe so; in context it is mostly an inconvenience. But what I am concerned about is the precedent. Meaning: padlocked cans...what's next? So call me silly but I've never been a big fan of some of the bad ideas that result from corporate beurocracies. For me personally (and surely most of you out there)I'm in this business because I enjoy being in this business... Screening the film before hand isn't just doing my job but I feel that it is something that I'm entitled to. This was one of the few films of late that I actually wanted to sit through (and not just peek in once in a while)...so maybe I was just a bit disappointed. When digital projection becomes the only reality I guess we won't be allowed to screen the "films" any more. Better hope then that there isn't a disk error!  |  IP: Logged

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