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Randy Stankey
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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99

posted 05-06-2008 04:40 PM

quote: James Westbrook
Derrick is one of the reasons management should meet employee applicants when they bring their application back..."I'm sorry, we are not hiring at this time."

No, no... The correct, phrase should be, "I'm sorry, we don't have any positions for you."

Note, I didn't say I didn't have any positions. I said, "...positions FOR YOU."

Subtle difference in phrasing. Big difference in meaning.
But, "truth in advertising", always.

[Big Grin]

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Ben Goodman
Film Handler

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posted 05-06-2008 10:53 PM

"The HR team will review your application. If it fits with what we need at this time, we will contact you in the near future."

Bulletproof.

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Brad Miller
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posted 05-06-2008 11:51 PM

You guys are so polite. I mean, the honest thing to do is tell the guy "sorry but we don't hire immature morons like yourself" so perhaps he can realize that he needs to grow up a bit.

Freakin' silly PC nonsense. [Razz]

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Randy Stankey
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posted 05-07-2008 11:19 AM

I don't think saying, "I don't have a position for you." is PC.

I think it's 'telling him like it is' in a polite, businesslike manner. One of the things that peeve me off the most is when people dodge the question, "Did I get hired?" by hiding behind the telephone or some silly policy. The guy (potential applicant) deserves the minimum respect of an answer.

You could say, "No. You're not hired." but that makes you look like the A-hole. You could use the old line, "Don't call us. We'll call you." but everybody knows that's pretty much a put-down, these days.

Saying "I don't have a position for you." is a simple, polite way of saying, "I looked at your application and I don't have any jobs that I think you are qualified for." It's short, sweet and it gets the job done.

Plus, it doesn't make you look like the A-hole.

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Paul Mayer
Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under!

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posted 05-07-2008 01:36 PM

Randy, you say that like being an asshole is a bad thing.

There's nothing wrong with being thought of as an asshole and in fact there is a lot of good associated with it. Being an asshole is the fastest and most efficient way of getting ahead in this world, and has been for a long time. I'm not saying that nice guys don't get ahead too, but it's rare. Very rare.

So I say work on being the biggest asshole one can be, especially towards sensitive PC types, and be proud of the resulting reputation. Do that and one will go far. A lot farther than by trying to not offend everyone.

Most people today, like our recently and dearly departed Derrick, not only deserve but need to have an asshole being constantly in their face.

No one respects a nice guy. People may like them, but they don't respect them. Nice guys are weak. Nice guys are wimps. Nice guys are losers. Nice guys always finish last. When something needs doing, an asshole will always be the best man for the job.

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Sean McKinnon
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posted 05-07-2008 02:19 PM

quote: Randy Stankey
I think it's 'telling him like it is' in a polite, businesslike manner. One of the things that peeve me off the most is when people dodge the question, "Did I get hired?" by hiding behind the telephone or some silly policy. The guy (potential applicant) deserves the minimum respect of an answer.

Yeah I agree, Randy. I know this is off topic but, When I was a manager I always told applicants right then and there after I interviewed them. I recently went on three interviews with National Amusements (not counting then one they re-scheduled after I was showered, shaved, dressed in a suit and pulling out of my driveway on the way to the theatre) and passed thier extensive background check. The last interview I had was with the GM of the theatre after interviewing with the DM twice. When I interviewed with the GM he told me "You WILL hear from me or Mr.DM on Monday to schedule your final interview" To this day I have never heard anything from them and my phone calls were ignored. I found this extremely rude and unprofessional, This particular theatre is an hour from my house and I spent a lot of money I didn't have in gas to get there, and they didn't even have the courtesy to call me and say "no thank you." I would never ever work for them now, Even if they called me and asked me to come to work for them I would say no.

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Randy Stankey
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posted 05-07-2008 03:53 PM

I understand about that, Paul. In the case of a kid like Derwood... or Darrin... or whatever the hell his name was... I agree with you.

I also generally agree with your policy of "radical honesty". It doesn't do anybody any favors to be "artificially nice" to them when they don't deserve it.

I guess I was thinking more about the case of a regular applicant for a job in a theater or some other business. In that case, it is in the business's interest to give the "bad news" to the applicant in a "nice" way but, still, a "direct" way. Saying, "I don't have any openings for you." is about as nice, yet still direct way I can think of.

If, after being told, "I don't have a job for you." the kid pushes the issue, you probably have the go-ahead to open up on him. "You're not qualified." "You are too immature for the level of responsibility we expect our employees to stand up to." or anything else that is true but doesn't stoop to a personal insult would be fair game to say.

I think it is incorrect to equate being "polite" with being "PC".

It is also situational.

There are times to tell somebody, "That's wrong..." and there are times when, "It would be better if..." is the right thing to say. In certain situations, it is even okay to tell somebody, "No. I want you to do it this way..." is all right. You have to know the situation and gage your response to match.

In a theater where you are dealing with the public, the first line of response should be the "Polite but Direct" way. When the person pushes you past the line of polite response, a "less nice" response may be called for.

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Tim Reed
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posted 05-07-2008 04:40 PM

quote: Paul Mayer
No one respects a nice guy.

Yep, I hear ya. I've been a nice guy all of my life. I always try friendly persuasion to get people to see things my way. I'm very patient with them, too, and I give them a wide berth to come around to my way of thinking.

And whenever they don't, I just beat their ass.

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Randy Stankey
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posted 05-07-2008 07:57 PM

Being "nice" does not equate with being a "door mat."

Being "polite" does not equate with "PC."

You can still be "nice" but speak directly and stand your ground when you need to. Just because you give people respect when they deserve it doesn't mean you have to let them push you around. If somebody tries to give you the crap end of a deal, you don't have to accept it just because you are a "nice" person.

If you find yourself in a situation where somebody is trying to give you the shaft you can simply say, "No." But it doesn't give you permission to verbally abuse them or put them down when they haven't given you any provocation.

I never said you can't defend yourself, physically or verbally, when somebody does wrong to you.

And, when you're in your own home, do whatever you want. (Maybe I should be careful to make that distinction.) But, when you are at your business, there's no reason to be impolite just because you think you'll somehow "get ahead". It will probably set you back in the long run.

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Paul Mayer
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posted 05-07-2008 10:03 PM

quote: Tim Reed
And whenever they don't, I just beat their ass.

My favorite quote from Babylon 5:

quote:
"It's like I always say, you get more with a kind word and a two-by-four than with just a kind word."

Marcus Cole

I'm going to adopt Joe's sig motto, "You need a beating today" as my approach to dealing with life from now on. I like the idea of administering a good beating to a deserving someone on a daily basis and the beatings don't even have to be physical. Yelling at and insulting people works almost as well. Hey, it works for my heros like Gordon Ramsey or the character John House on TV, or James Cameron on his movie sets, or even John Sununu in the White House during the reign of Bush I. Like those guys, I am known for not suffering fools well. But obviously that's not enough. Seeing how life's spoils always go to personalities like these, I really want to cultivate a reputation for being a blunt, non-PC, but passionate asshole. [Big Grin]

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There was a topic around here somewhere...

I too used to have short paper templates for both heads and tails under the glass on my rewind bench. Made it easy to find the cut point if the changeover occurred in black. Also, one can almost always see a difference between the feature's black and the tail black if one has good enough work lighting.

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Chris Slycord
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posted 05-08-2008 08:35 AM

That's like the manager in "This is Spinal Tap"

quote:
Certainly in the topsy turvy world of rock and roll, having a good solid piece of wood in your hand is quite often useful

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