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Tony Bandiera Jr
Film God

Posts: 3067
From: Moreland Idaho
Registered: Apr 2004

posted 09-19-2009 12:42 PM

quote: Steve Guttag
PAY ATTENTION. There is no substitute.

I dare say, the guys at the Academy would blow no more changeovers if they had no bells...it is a bad crutch to have.

Don't hold back Steve, tell us how you really feel. [Big Grin]

I have run theatres with and without bells, makes no difference to me at all. My room at UC Irvine is without bells and I have yet in 12 years to miss a changeover. The layout of the booth is odd so visibility to the feed reels is poor so I wouldn't mind bells, but don't really need them.

Hell, when I ran my 4-plex in Downtown L.A. (Potts Alpha Platters and Wrong prototype consoles with the really noisy fans) I could take naps between show starts and if any machine even burped I'd be up like a shot and know exactly which of the four was acting up without looking.

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John Wilson
Film God

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From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 09-19-2009 04:49 PM

quote: Joe Redifer
Is this masterpiece of TV history available anywhere online?

A quick search showed it up as The Forgotten Lady. I read some of the script and it seemed to be the right episode, but it's possible they used the same scenario in another episode I guess.

Regardless, type in 'Columbo Forgotten Lady Bittorrent' into Googlybear and there she be.

I have run plenty of Changeovers and never had bells. I can count on one finger the amount of changeovers I missed in all that time. (I was doing my fifth double shift in a row and it was a midnight show on 2000's of some horror show. I'd nodded off and heard the end of reel splice go through. 8 seconds later it was back on.) That's the only time a bell would've come in handy. Those other thousands of shows a bell would've just been superfluous and a darn annoyance. They seem like another thing to help those 'attentive-deficient'.

I did some shows at a friend's theatrette where he had a small, dull light that came on near the operator's seat at the back of the theatre so he could run the shows and still enjoy most of the movie. Handy in those instances.

quote: David Stambaugh
They did changeovers at that time and the projectors had the bells, and yes they were VERY audible in the auditorium.

Any sound that can be heard in the auditorium that's not actually eminating from the film's soundtrack should be eliminated asap. That's just poor showmanship.

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Warren Dewey
Film Handler

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From: monterey ca usa
Registered: Jan 2006

posted 09-21-2009 12:47 AM

The alarms in the theater I trained in back in the day were the single-clang emulsion-scratcher type. Later I would see the bicycle-style bells in other guys booths and really wanted a set. I found the ones I have now in a box of parts. They have the rubber ladyrinth like the Hatke, but it says Avanel Industries, Hyde Park NY on them. They play a syncopated 3-note pattern.

Warning: if you need to open one of these up (one of mine had a spider's nest inside, thus preventing proper operation), you WILL lose the ball bearing. The first and second times it hits the floor, you will find it after some anguished searching, but if you drop it a third time it's all over.

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 09-21-2009 12:56 AM

quote: John Wilson
Any sound that can be heard in the auditorium that's not actually eminating from the film's soundtrack should be eliminated asap. That's just poor showmanship.

So you're not a fan of letting infants into the theater either, eh? [Big Grin]

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Chris Slycord
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From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea
Registered: Mar 2007

posted 09-21-2009 02:40 AM

Nor is he a fan of fire alarms. We should just eliminate the sound so people can continue watching the movie not distracted by it (but shortly after distracted by their impending death). [Big Grin]

edit: And only after I wrote this did I notice that it ties back into the movie in question nicely.

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Eric Robinson
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Santa Rosa, CA
Registered: Jan 2005

posted 09-21-2009 02:55 AM

I would much rather hear a bell than someones jowls sloshing and slurping soda, burping, crunching and knashing large wads of popcorn with blatant disregard for quality sound reproduction.

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John Wilson
Film God

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From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 09-21-2009 05:34 AM

quote: Chris Slycord
Nor is he a fan of fire alarms. We should just eliminate the sound so people can continue watching the movie not distracted by it (but shortly after distracted by their impending death).

I was actually talking about other sounds like air conditioning blowing too much air or rattling air cond ducts, squeaking chairs but you go with whatever you want to get rid of.

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Chris Slycord
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From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea
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posted 09-21-2009 07:18 AM

You took that seriously?

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John Wilson
Film God

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From: Sydney, Australia.
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posted 09-21-2009 04:02 PM

Nope.

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Jim Cassedy
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: San Francisco, CA
Registered: Dec 2006

posted 09-29-2009 09:43 AM

On the topic of the projection equipment in "Inglorious Basterds":

I seem to recall reading about and also someone once told me
that Nazi Germany and later Communist China modified all their
theater projectors to use 27 or 28mm film. The idea behind this
was that by going to a non-standard film size, they government
could assure that there were no unauthorized showings of
"fobidden" films from the West.
Anybody else know anything about this?

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Stephen Furley
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From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England
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posted 09-29-2009 03:14 PM

I've never heard of it; 28mm was a gauge of film, but it was obsolete before the Nazis came on the scene. They did ban 17.5mm in France, but that was a case of promoting the standard format and taking an alternative one out of use, not the other way round. Nazi films were certainly made on 35mm. I've no knowledge of China, but this sounds rather unlikely

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Tim Reed
Better Projection Pays

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From: Northampton, PA
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 09-29-2009 04:13 PM

IIRC, 28mm was a home movie format, on safety stock. It was perforated 4 holes per frame on one side, and one hole per frame (at the frame line) on the other -- so it could not be misframed.

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Paul Gordon
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Aug 2005

posted 09-29-2009 04:39 PM

28mm was safety stock printed on non-flammable diacetate stock...

It was used for screenings in community centers, on farms, churches and schools etc...

I have catalogs that go up to the early 30's but it was phased out with expansion of 16mm

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