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Topic: Technicolor will ship "REPO MEN" in orange box
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Scott Norwood
Film God
Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 02-26-2010 02:45 PM
Most film prints shipped in the US are currently delivered in octagonal steel "ICC shipping cases" on snap-together plastic reels. The film comes from the labs on 4" cores and is delivered to the depot. The depot employees snap plastic reel flanges on the core, making a reel, and then put them in ICC cans, which they label with the name and address of the destination theatre. Cans and reel flanges are typically in fair or worse condition, and cans typically have dirt inside, which tends to attach itself to the film. Metal reels are occasionally seen, mostly on older prints or on prints from smaller distributors. They are easily bent and typically in poor condition.
ICC cans typically hold 1-4 reels of film, and a typical feature will come in two cans. Longer films require three. Increasingly, films are being shipped in the plastic boxes being discussed here, which hold about 5-7 reels per box. The boxes do not last as long as the cans, and typically separate at the folds or seams over time. The plastic handles on the top are not strong enough for the weight of the box and tend to break.
Many foreign films (and occasionally prints from small distributors) are shipped on cores in round plastic or metal lab cans (with one "reel" per can, typically with the film itself wrapped in a plastic baggie). A print on cores would typically be shipped in a cardboard box. This typically works well for the first shipment, but the box eventually consists of more tape than cardboard by the time the print has been to several theatres. The round plastic cans tend to shatter, and the metal ones tend to dent. Some theatres also do not wind the film tightly around the core and it can be difficult to rewind the film onto house reels without cinching it. Occasionally a print will arrive with the cores missing, which is always a painful experience.
Czech (?) films come on cores in lab cans in really awesome green plastic containers that look like ICC cans, but hold the lab cans perfectly and have very comfortable handles.
Russian films come in 1000' segments in lab cans (plastic or metal) either in cardboard boxes or in round metal cylinders that look like small trash cans.
Japanese films come in 1500' segments in round lab cans with a bump in the middle of the can to hold the core in place.
When films are shipped on cores, the theatre must use a "split reel" (owned by the theatre) to wind the film onto house reels and to transfer the film back to cores for shipping.
I am sure that others will fill in details for anything that I have missed.
The real issue being discussed here is that using a single container to transport a complete feature film results in a container that is too big and heavy to move, and which occupies too much precious booth space when opened.
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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today
Posts: 12859
From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-28-2010 06:17 PM
Film couriers can make a lot of money, work 3 days a week and all they do is bitch bitch bitch. I remember back in my UA days, we did NOT carry the film up or down stairs, they were dropped off in the booth and set out in the booth when they were ready to go. Our shipper at the time, Darryl, Inc. would always be in a total bitch fit when he'd come up with the 10 or so prints we got each week (no exaggeration) and then on Monday when he had to come and take them away again. I'd just be sitting at the desk or the bench and my thought was always "STFU, just take the damn prints, slave."
As for 70mm, at least each reel gets its own can. Sure, you have to run back and forth a lot, but it is exciting because you get to build and run 70mm.
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Jonathan Smith
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 201
From: Youngstown, OH
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted 03-01-2010 11:55 AM
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Film couriers can make a lot of money, work 3 days a week and all they do is bitch bitch bitch. [. . . ] Our shipper at the time, Darryl, Inc. would always be in a total bitch fit when he'd come up with the 10 or so prints we got each week (no exaggeration) and then on Monday when he had to come and take them away again. I'd just be sitting at the desk or the bench and my thought was always "STFU, just take the damn prints, slave."
Regardless of the incompetence of your courier, would you really say something like that to "Darryl's" face?
I don't care if you have 10,000 posts, 100,000 posts, 1,000,000 posts, or whatever, no one deserves that sort of public berration unless they have committed and be found guilty of a felony or a violent crime or something.
If you've ever been working 18, 20+ hour days, your wife divorces you, and then you never see your kids ever again, maybe you will wise up a little bit to why these guys are in such a bad mood sometimes.
If you've ever had to chase a fu*&ing reel of film across a parking lot because a 17-y.o. kid didn't close it right, or the stupid studios are using cans older than your father, you'll understand why these guys are in such a bad mood.
I get really upset when people on here are so FULL OF THEMSELVES that they think they can read other peoples' minds. Put yourselves in other peoples shoes before you start stoning them to death, Mr. Redifer.
Otherwise move to Africa or the Middle East, because you can still stone people to death, chop off their hands, hang them, or cut their throats with saws if you think they are guilty ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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