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Author Topic: Technicolor will ship "REPO MEN" in orange box Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-01-2010 01:58 PM                        I actually got along with him quite well.  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 03-01-2010 01:59 PM                     Not that Joe needs anyone to defend him, but Jonathan, please get off your high horse. As someone who hasn't been on this site very long, you should not be casting stones at anyone. All it does is make you look bad. Joe has a very sardonic sense of humor and is actually a great guy. Please read a lot more his posts before you try to form an opinion of who he is. On topic, I agree with Joe's opinion of the couriers that posses that bitchy attitude. If you hate your job that much, quit and find another. Otherwise, do your job, do it right and keep your mouth shut.  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Smith Expert Film Handler Posts: 201 From: Youngstown, OH Registered: Jan 2010 posted 03-01-2010 02:28 PM                     I am not casting stones, Tony. That attitude, even in jest, is a good way to ruin someone's reputation; it isn't professional, even in jest, on the off chance that someone who worked with Joe, or the courier, reads his post. I'm glad at least that Joe had enough courtesy not to use the real name of the company or courier. I thought he had. My inexperience on this site, BTW, is not paramount, my experience in this industry is. This industry is built on trust and relationships, communication, not casting stones, drama, and judgement, or throwing other people under the bus. I don't throw people on the bus for even their own mistakes (let alone my own) if they are honest mistakes. The only time I call someone out like that is when it is utter, deliberate negligence that detracts from the customer's experience. So let's please keep it courteous for those of us who aren't represented on this site or on the internet in general. People who aren't the best at their jobs shouldn't be slandered in front of a worldwide audience of projectionists. That is akin to black-balling someone and it is as uncalled for today as it was when that drunk McCarthy did it with writers and film workers in the 1950s.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-01-2010 03:12 PM                        He actually did quit and found another job... long ago. He is no longer in the film couriering business, at least not here.  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 03-01-2010 03:27 PM                     quote: <snip> I get really upset when people on here are so FULL OF THEMSELVES that they think they can read other peoples' minds. <snip> You said it best. So how does this next statement justify your sniping at Joe? quote: Jonathan Smith My inexperience on this site, BTW, is not paramount, my experience in this industry is. On that subject, I've been in the biz for 29 years. And I know better than to snipe at Joe. How about you? I'm not trying to be mean, but I'd like to know (as would most everyone else) what your experience is. To make sure we're on the same ground so to speak. I totally disagree that your experience on this site is not paramount. It is very important if you intend to voice opinions on someone based on anything other than a disagreement on procedures, products or operations. quote: Jonathan Smith This industry is built on trust and relationships, communication, not casting stones, drama, and judgement, or throwing other people under the bus. You obviously have not ever worked at a studio or on a film set. There is always so much drama, boot licking and backstabbing going on it's amazing that any films ever get made. And the exhibition end is fraught with dishonest people, rivalries between (and within) chains, etc. I worked in banking in High school and thought that they gossiped and backstabbed a lot, until I got into the film industry. quote: Jonathan Smith So let's please keep it courteous for those of us who aren't represented on this site or on the internet in general. Very good advice. Now please go back and re-read your post with a critical eye and open mind and you'll see why it could be construed as rude, even if that was not your intention. I am far from perfect, and I'm sure Joe and a few others can easily point out posts where I have been rude/offensive but it's generally in context of differing viewpoints, not an opinion of anyone personally. As in this case, I'm not going to form any opinion of you based on this thread. I just want to make clear that I think you came off in a bad light, perhaps unintentionally.  |  IP: Logged Rod Cornelison Film Handler Posts: 13 From: Jonesboro,AR./ Craighead ,USA Registered: Mar 2009 posted 03-06-2010 11:50 PM                     remember when warner bros. had the two reel shippers? this is just another bad idea. the film industry is full of them!!  |  IP: Logged Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 03-07-2010 01:06 PM                     I've gotten a lot of films from India shipped in those burlap covered cardboard boxes. They always look to me like some sort illegal drug shipment when they arrive. The best shippers I've seen recently are Chinese and look like the standard 3 or 4 "reel" type containers, but they're much better made than the Goldberg or PRC shipping cases. I looked but there's no name on them. So I don't know who makes them except they're from China. I've recently got a couple of new prints from Shaw Bros Laboratories in Hong Kong. They ship on cores in cans, but they use recycled cardboard spacers in the corners of the box, that keep the cans from shifting around and give more strength to the sides of the cardboard box. They usually arrive in "new" shape, and can go through several shipments before they start to show wear. Several years ago a classic old Chinese film from Canton arrived in this container:  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 03-07-2010 01:58 PM                     Jim I've had several films arrive at UC Irvine in that same round can, as well as the other unique boxes you'd mentioned. I still think the best cans I've ever handled so far are the plastic ICC cans which were shown in another thread..I'll try to find that picture again. EDIT: Couldn't find the thread with the pic, but IIRC the cans were made by Hollywood Film Company. Yep, here's THE LINK  |  IP: Logged Manny Montes Master Film Handler Posts: 270 From: United States Registered: Feb 2010 posted 03-22-2010 11:41 AM                     I've gotta agree, those were the best cans to ship in, i've only gotten maybe 5 prints in them, but they are awesome.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-30-2010 05:36 PM                        Latest update from Technicolor on the cans vs box issue: Two weeks ago we shipped ‘Repo Men’ in our latest version of print box. We were predicting up to 40% reduction in UPS errors. In fact the result was much better: ·85.4% less errors than 2009 aggregate UPS performance ·72.8% less errors than 2010 YTD aggregate UPS performance ·Zero missed shows And we surveyed 269 theatres who are playing ‘Repo Men,’ and 87.7% preferred box over the can. We will be switching from can to print box for all new releases opening May 21st and forward. Additionally, Disney’s ‘Oceans’(April) and Focus Features’ ‘Babies’(early May) will ship in print box. In the theatre survey, 2 concerns were voiced: Weight: We have already shared this with you. Response to theatres on weight is: We have and will continue to communicate tips for dealing with the weight, eg use equipment(carts, dollies) to transport, schedule stronger associates to do the lifting, safest ways to lift. We have listened and responded to the weight concerns. Deluxe ships up to 8 reel films in one box. We listened to your concerns and will not put more than 6 reels in box. 4 reel cans weigh as much as 49 pounds. The average 6 reel film with 6 trailers weighs 54 pounds. It costs too much to ship in two boxes. Will almost double our box cost because a 4 reel box costs only 17% less than 6 reel box, and freight is 38% more to ship same weight in two boxes. Handle Response: Box manufacturer says that this handle is an upgrade over the Deluxe box. NATO members Rand Thornsley, Jeff Logan and I are working with box manufacturer to source more comfortable handle, but not confident we will have until this until after our first order. The box handle is more comfortable than the can handle. Please call me with questions. Thank-you, Tim Burke Director Technicolor Cinema Distribution 3418 Progress Way Wilmington, OH 45177 Office (937)383.6089 Cell (513)646.9016 (Mike again) I take the part about UPS errors with a grain of salt. UPS's error rate is very low anyway, so any "improvement" shown probably is not necessarily attributable to the boxes alone. Could just be bad luck/good luck.  |  IP: Logged Sean McKinnon Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1712 From: Peabody Massachusetts Registered: Sep 2000 posted 03-30-2010 06:24 PM                        FWIW, Film Trans based out of my old home town of Salem Mass and serving the New England area was always professional and polite in my dealings with them. I guess I was lucky. They didn't bring the cans all the way up to the booth but they didn't leave them in the parking lot either!  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Althaus Master Film Handler Posts: 435 From: Bedford, TX Registered: Dec 2008 posted 04-01-2010 01:33 PM                     What about smaller boxes? 3-4 reel boxes, just like the cans. Solves the UPS issue and keeps the weight down. Our Repo Men came in a day later than our cans do, so there's another reason to hate the boxes.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-01-2010 01:49 PM                        Obviously, they are making a show of listening to customer opinions, while refusing to actually implement the ideas that they have received. We already came up with the solution in this group: a single large box containing two smaller boxes (each with handles) which can be removed and carried separately. The memos that have been posted here do not indicate that this idea was even considered. Here is my thought for the day: if the boxes are so much cheaper than cans to store and ship, then offer a shipping discount to theatres which agree to accept shipments in boxes. Let the theatres decide whether the convenience of two-can shipments is worth forgoing a discounted rate.  |  IP: Logged Manny Montes Master Film Handler Posts: 270 From: United States Registered: Feb 2010 posted 04-02-2010 11:42 AM                     Deluxe really REALLY ticked me off this week. 6 Reels max to a box please. 6 REELS MAX. 8 Reels in a box, I can't even get the box closed, when we received it I thought there was an error because it said there were supposed to be two boxes, apparently the deluxe depot thought that when they got it back from the other theater they should repackage it with 8 reels in a box for ease of shipping (their explanation when I called). Unfortunately, my GM is on vacation and other than him and I no one else can carry a box that huge up into booth. I know thats probably our fault for not having more "strong men" but I feel that actually caring about the people who have to carry these things would be nice. I wish I could bill deluxe for all the back surgery I'll need later in life.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-02-2010 05:27 PM                        quote: Manny Montes my GM is on vacation and other than him and I no one else can carry a box that huge up into booth. I have said this before, but some people are obsessed with carrying all the film in one trip. You DO NOT have to carry the whole box full of film at once. Set the box on the floor, take two or three reels out, take those reels to the booth. Then come back, close up the box and take the rest of the reels in the now-lighter box to the booth. Using that procedure, the tiniest popcorn girl should be able to get a print to a booth. Yes it will take longer, but it beats back surgery.  |  IP: Logged

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