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Demetris Thoupis
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The Oculus though requires the dreaded silver screen. There goes again Drive-Ins and open air cinemas. If pricing structure is better than the Technicolour (which could be) then Oculus might be a winner. The only real problem with film 3d is the apperture filling as in over/under or left/right you don't seem to be able to get the image filed correctly unless you use a movable masking (or so it seems).
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Jim Cassedy
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For those who are technically curious,here's
some actual pictures(WoW!)of a Technicolor 3D lens.

It comes shipped in a well padded Pelican case, which
includes some tools needed for installation, 50ft of
test film, 2pair of glasses & some other accessories.
The "lens" consists of two parts- a 'prime' lens and
a 3D adapter. The 'prime lens' is able to zoom slightly.
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The front end of the 3D adapter part of the lens:
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The rear of the lens with the filter assembly:
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Jonathan Smith
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Jim, NICEE!

Thanks for sharing that with us. Now if only I could get the actual lens instead of a picture of the lens [Frown]

We're getting a 3D DLP projector instead next week; I'd much rather have this.

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Louis Bornwasser
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I guess that used up the money for raises! Louis

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Cathal Griffin
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I'm curious as to how they're going to put both flat and scope movies out using Technicolor 3D. Is it going to be the case that "scope" movies will played flat with masking top and bottom?

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Frank Angel
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It is really sweet that they included the zoom prime. Schneider has offered one line of their lenses that has some zoom capability and I had always wondered if there was enough zoom that one could use it to show both 1.66 and 1.85 using the single lens.

So what is so complicated about this that a fairly bright projectionist couldn't install and adjust this thing, especially since they give you the proper test film and tools?

I sure wish the economic model were structured differently -- let me buy it outright and then put a reasonable license fee on top of the film rental. The present configuration makes it impossible for art and specialty houses to run a 3D film with this system. If I am booking films for short runs, typically a weekend or even one day event, there is no way I can afford a $2000 fee. Which is too bad, because the studios could tap their old classic 3D titles and release them on film. Thing is, the only houses that will play the classis for the most part are the art houses, but not with this rental/buy arrangement. Let us buy the damn lens!

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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Cathal Griffin wrote:
"I'm curious as to how they're going to put both flat and scope movies out using Technicolor 3D. Is it going to be the case that "scope" movies will played flat with masking top and bottom?"

The Technicolor lens is for scope. When a flat movie comes out, it too will be shown in scope, but the sides will be masked in black. You simply move in your side masking in. If you have movable top masking only for flat (with the same image width for Scope), you're out of luck.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Frank Angel
So what is so complicated about this that a fairly bright projectionist couldn't install and adjust this thing, especially since they give you the proper test film and tools?
Probably nothing, Frank. However, as has been decried on this forum for the past several years, "fairly bright projectionists" are becoming harder to find, especially anywhere near a booth. My guess is that Technicolor, concerned about first impressions, doesn't want to risk what their product would look like after some usher got ahold of a screwdriver and went after their lens.

To be fair, how many "fairly bright projectionists" are aligning their own digital projectors?

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Dominic Espinosa
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Has anyone seen a really good demo of this?

I watched a demo reel at ShoWest that looked really bad. The entire image looked out of focus and the 3D effect was very lack-luster.

I inquired at the booth and was greeted with an arrogant "I don't know what you were looking at ... " by the projectionist who set it up.

In our situation it doesn't seem to make sense if we can't guarantee that we won't be able to focus the image or that the 3D effect itself will be blurry.

So, anyone know of a Technicolor 3D install that's up in the Bay Area already?

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Michael Marini
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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 03-17-2010 09:54 AM CT (US) (7:54 AM Local)
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Chris... I drove to the pawn shop last night around 10 pm thinking the later the better chance I might have of getting in. No such luck though as there were about 15 people standing in line to get in ... Perhaps 3 am would work better but Chumley will be sleep walking at that hour!

Showest seems to have more foreigners this year than English speaking people. Only Cinemeccanica displayed a film projector, ok Kinoton did too for those that want to spend uber amounts of dollars! Christie is backlogged with d-cinema projector orders till September.

Film 3-d is looking mighty good!!!!

I am also at the Gold Coast. They replaced the restaurant there with a TGIFs. That sucks IMHO. I won't be staying here next year because of that.

A side trip to Hoover Dam to see the utterly amazing arch bypass bridge was well worth the time. When you come around the curve and meet the massive arch head on you almost slam on the brakes in awe. It's truely an engineering marvel that no photo can do justice to. Ya have to see this in person!

Mark

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John Wilson
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Michael:

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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John..... Iwaswonderingthesamething....

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Joe Redifer
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Spambot.

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Jim Cassedy
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quote: John T. Hendrickson, Jr
The Technicolor lens is for scope. When a flat movie comes out, it too will be shown in scope, but the sides will be masked in black.
Jhhn-Are you sure about this? I really don't know, but I just took a look
through both lenses at around object (a dime) and there didn't
seem to be any horizonta compression. It still looked round.
But there were 2 images when looked at through the 3D adapter attachment.
[The split lens] {And what an easy way to double my money!} [Razz]

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Hillary Charles
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Just a guess, but since it sounds like the 1970s-80s Stereovision format, the aspect ratio is relatively the same as scope, but only because the frame size of each "eye" is basically the same as Techniscope. Scope without an anamorphic lens.

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