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Author Topic: Anyone showing Jackass 3 in 2D?
Jim Cassedy
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 - posted 10-17-2010 09:54 AM      Profile for Jim Cassedy   Email Jim Cassedy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I will be happy to ship you a whole crate of "2D Glasses"
(which are actually 3D glasses with the filters removed)
if you'll foot the freight bill. [Big Grin]

Then you can give them to patrons who come out
and bug you for glasses when they see the intro.

But seriously- - I ran into a similar situation many years
ago, and was informed at that time by the union that under
no circumstances was I <EVER> to remove anything from a
feature print unless instructed to do so, in writing, by
the distributer. I was told that making ANY unauthorized
alterations to a print not only violated the 'fine print'
in all sorts of distribution contracts, it could also
subject me to 'puntive action' (ie: unemployment) by
the union. My "editiorial authority" only extnded to
making up trailer reels - and nothing else.

I agree with whoever it was who commented that the
distributer should have never put you in this position.

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Manny Knowles
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quote: Chris Slycord
Your reputation will be tarnished if you don't schedule the movies.

People will be disappointed in you for not scheduling the movies they want to see and will go elsewhere. Plus, many people simply don't want to watch the movie in 3D. Lots of cinemas schedule an auditorium in 3D and another in 2D for this purpose.

And at least with getting a tarnished rep from having a 2D print of some movie you make money off the transaction (and it might not seem so, but the majority of people getting 2D tickets realize they aren't going to watch 3D). On the other hand, 100% of the people who wished to see the movie at your facility will be disappointed if you don't do it at all and you get no money out of this to boot.

Oh please! You're saying that your theatre plays every movie that gets released? You're saying that's the only way to not tarnish your reputation? You're saying that if my theatre isn't allocated a print of every movie opening this week that I'm screwed? Gimme a break!

What you're proposing is like saying "show the scope movie in 1.85 coz at least you'll please some of the people and get some money out of the deal." That's film done wrong and what you're proposing here is 3D done wrong.

I'm okay with theatres showing both 3D and 2D because they are giving the viewer a choice but showing it only in 2D just to make a buck is wrong.

If you wanna make 3D money then pony up some 3D cash and get a 3D system installed. Geez, Louise!

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Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
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 - posted 10-17-2010 01:31 PM      Profile for Caleb Johnstone-Cowan   Email Caleb Johnstone-Cowan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So Beavis and Butt-Head said the film was in 3D, and people believed them? I'd just point out the joke to people and let them get back in the film.

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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Paul and Kyle, you both have a common problem: staff that isn't doing their jobs. IF they cannot take the time to steer the customers to the right auditorium and make sure they have glasses ONLY if they need them (Kyle's situation) or to point out at time of ticket sales that the movie is in 2D regardless of what BV & BH say at the start of the film (Paul's situation), then that is lack of training/instruction/motivation on the staff and management's part.

In both cases, surely you have SOMEONE on staff who likes to "ham it up" and can make an announcement to the 2D crowd before the film starts (like Barry Floyd does, [thumbsup] ) to help alleviate the complaints.

Finally, as Jim pointed out, you can get into SERIOUS trouble cutting things out of the film without explicit directions from the studio/distributor. As appalling or aggravating as some things may be as a projectionist/exhibitor you have NO RIGHT whatsoever to act as a film editor or censor.

Prime example: Pedro Amaldovar's "Matador" has an opening sequence that was highly disturbing to me, and as much as I wanted to cut it from the film I knew it would be wrong from a contractual and artistic standpoint. I just made sure that after a quick focus/sound check I left the booth when that was playing.

Even the chain's owner found it "disturbing" and "unacceptable" but since we booked it, we had to run it as-is.

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Joe Redifer
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Tony, editing for artistic reasons or just because you don't like something is different than removing false advertising. It probably shouldn't be removed, but Paramount is a bunch of a-holes for saying a 2D movie is in 3D. It is called "lying" and it is not the fault of the theater. Making an announcement before EVERY show? Good luck with that.. This should have been a 3D only release, especially given the movie's title.

Are theaters who booked this in 2D still calling it "Jackass 3D"? If so, they are creating their own conundrum right there.

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Mike Frese
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You should never alter the print as it comes to you because of the studio agreements unless instructed to by the studio. That includes all of you megaplex film builders (I really want to use a harsher word) who keep the attached trailer leaving nothing for whoever plays the film next.

Manny, There are many theaters out there for whom it makes no financial sense to get whatever 3d system that they could afford. So are these theaters supposed to pass up on all movies released in 3d?

The studios do not care about the theaters that are not playing their movies in 2d when it is released in 3d. The box office revenue from these non 3d able theaters is less than 10%. So stop holding your breath.

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Mark Lensenmayer
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Theatres here running the 2D version are advertising it as JACKASS 3 in 2D

Studios don't take lightly to theatres cutting a film without permission. The Esquire Theatre in Cincinnati took a lot of heat in 2001 for cutting 5 seconds from a film.

Esquire Cuts Sex Scene

quote:
This is the scene Cincinnati audiences for director Wayne Wang's unrated adult drama The Center of the World failed to see at Clifton's Esquire Theatre: A stripper leans over her male customer. She inserts a lollipop into her vagina, quickly pulls it out and inserts it into the mouth of her mesmerized customer. The image is brief and fleeting.

Between May 25 and June 3, Cincinnati audiences instead saw the stripper move the lollipop below her waist, then immediately raise it up and put it into the mouth of her customer. The lollipop's insertion into her vagina was suddenly gone.

Sources on the Esquire's staff told CityBeat that on May 24, one day prior to the film's local opening, Esquire owner Gary Goldman ordered one of his managers to cut the sex scene from the print of the film. There were no complaints from theater customers. The film hadn't even opened. Goldman's clandestine editing was purely proactive. It was also something he felt confident would go unnoticed. Goldman did not return calls to discuss the incident.

The Center of the World tells the story of a nerdy dot-com millionaire (Peter Sarsgaard) who persuades a pretty stripper (Molly Parker) to spend three days with him in Las Vegas. In a previous interview with CityBeat, Wang called the film Last Tango in Paris for the Internet generation.

The Esquire's audiences weren't informed they were watching a censored film. The theater also broke its copyright agreement with the film's distributor, Artisan Entertainment, when it cut the scene. The edit was a slap in the face to Wang, the film's director, as well as Artisan Entertainment, who have struggled to promote the film's theatrical release.

But the larger issue is why Goldman even felt the need to do something as drastic as cutting a sex scene from an unrated film. For those optimists who believe Cincinnati is becoming a more tolerant place to live, the fact that our city's leading art-house cinema has cut a sex scene is a devastating blow. It also makes one wonder what else happens at the Esquire Theatre or elsewhere that we don't know about.

Signs on the Esquire's doors made it clear that nobody under the age of 17 would be admitted to see The Center of the World. Like most art-house theaters, the Esquire attracts a loyal, adult clientele interested in watching different types of movies. Since Goldman declined to be interviewed about this incident, I can only guess whether he was offended by the brief sex scene. But if he was, he had another choice, the most powerful form of censorship: He could have simply refused to book the film.

"If they (Esquire) did do it, it's up to Artisan to decide if they're going to take any legal action," says Cleveland Cinemas President Jonathan Forman, who's currently playing The Center of the World at one of his Cleveland theaters. "I can see how a theater in a Bible Belt community would feel it was inappropriate to show the film. But I can't understand why a theater would alter the film."

On a recent afternoon, I stood in the projection booth of the Esquire Theatre and unspooled the five feet of film that's been cut from The Center of the World. It stretched from the tip of my shoes to the top of my head. On each individual frame, I peered at the images the Esquire didn't want Cincinnati audiences to see. After watching the "complete" film twice, I can honestly say that the edit was much ado about nothing. The "lollipop scene" is a fleeting sequence. You barely see anything. While I don't recommend The Center of the World due to its lackluster storytelling, I didn't find anything about the film offensive.

"As a distributor, we take great pride in our relationships with our filmmakers," says Amorette Jones, executive vice president of worldwide marketing for Artisan Entertain-ment. "It takes courage to go out with an unrated picture. So it's disappointing that the print was altered. I've been in this business for 12 years, and I was totally caught off guard by the news that someone edited the content of a picture."

On June 4, Artisan Entertainment ordered the Esquire to return The Center of the World without splicing the sex scene back into the print. The title came off the marquee. The auditorium was unexpectedly dark. Theater staff told inquiring customers they didn't know what had happened to the film.

Later this week in Los Angeles, Artisan executives will watch the tampered print to determine exactly how much was cut. Then they plan to destroy the print. Jones says Artisan does not plan to take Goldman or the Esquire Theatre to court. For the time being, they want to find out why the theater would cut a sex scene from The Center of the World without informing them.

I have one suggestion: It's proof Cincinnati is as intolerant as ever.


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Tony Bandiera Jr
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Joe, you're right about Paramount being a-holes and not caring, which is a common trait with all the studios these days. Still, it is not the theatre's responsibility to play editor even when the studio [sex] up.

As for the announcements, why do you say "good luck with that?" Are your theatres so understaffed that you can't spare one body for a few minutes 5 times a day? As Barry pointed out, a quick announcement goes a long way to stifling complaints. I can recall a few situations where a pre-screening announcement made all the difference between no complaints and a near-riot. (And the flip side is true..remember many years ago on the initial run of "Empire Strikes Back" where a theatre that had a missing reel did a pre-show announcement and the audience trashed the place?)

I DO agree that Paramount screwed up big-time naming the movie "Jackass 3D" even while releasing it in 2D.

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Monte L Fullmer
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The bottom line with this discussion is:

Who's not brainey enough to post simple signage up at the B.O. window, or around and similar, that the movie playing in "House No.'X' is NOT in 3D but in 2D?"

Or, even put a note out in the poster case that the movie playing in House No."X" is in 2D only?

Let's quit picking on the film, Paramount/DW and pay more attention to the venue's operation where the film is being play at.

-Monte

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John Wilson
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
Let's quit picking on the film, Paramount/DW and pay more attention to the venue's operation where the film is being play at.
You could give each person a personal note at the door saying it's only in 2D and to disregard the 3D reference in the movie...it wouldn't make an ounce of difference to most and they will still complain.

The fact still remains that Paramount should not have made 2D versions with this content still in place.

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Tony Bandiera Jr
As for the announcements, why do you say "good luck with that?"
Spending $$$ on payroll will put a theater out of business, that's why! But mainly I said it because because I was typing from my iPod and it was short and easy to say. [Smile]

People will complain because they know they can get passes for it. Personally, I'd give them refunds instead as that would come out of the studio's pocket.

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Manny Knowles
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quote: Mike Frese
Manny, There are many theaters out there for whom it makes no financial sense to get whatever 3d system that they could afford. So are these theaters supposed to pass up on all movies released in 3d?
If you want to avoid the problem that started this thread -- Yes.

If you're cool with explaining the situation over and over, and giving refunds -- then go ahead and run 3D in 2D -- but then don't go editing the movie to hide the fact.

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Jeremy Weigel
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Did anyone here go to the exhibitor's screenings for this film? If so, was this on it?

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Mike Spaeth
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All:

For what it's worth, Paramount was planning this as a 3D only release until late last week when they changed their mind and did 2D prints as well (presumably due to lackluster print count, I would assume). I don't think they would have gotten a $50 million opening without it. Just not quite enough 3D screens / complexes yet.

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Joe Elliott
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Anyone have a good PR contact at paramount. You could make up cards with that persons name/address/email, and let the customers voice their opinion directly, at least those who feel they are being badgered into watching it in 3D. Those who feel that they were not informed it wasn't 3D, well that's another problem.

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