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Author Topic: HiDef DVD is price prohibitive? (and other surprising facts) Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-23-2006 05:33 AM                        Incompatible sound? Please explain. Do I need to buy new ears? Long boot up times? This is unacceptable. There is no reason this should occur. Maybe the designers of HD-DVD are retarded? This is the only possible scenario and nobody can disagree with it. Unless Toshiba is retarded or the disc authors are retarded. Somebody somewhere is retarded and they need to be set on fire and burned alive. Does it run at 100Hz or are we stuck with 60Hz? We'll notice HUGE improvements once we start getting the 100Hz sets that the UK has had forever. Though 120Hz would be better, and as always we're better than England... except when we're not. Seriously though, ever notice how much better DVDs (properly authored) look on your computer screen? That's because it is set higher than 60Hz. It looks better than 480p on a HDTV. Much better. It's the scan rate. Needs to increase. Now. Not later. Now. Maybe yesterday.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-23-2006 11:26 AM                     The main problem with the picture quality of HD-DVD is the puny bitrate. I think Time-Warner/Toshiba upped its capability to 20Mb/s, but it still could be running in the mere 15Mb/s data rate of its original design. Standard DVD-V has a maximum bandwidth of 10Mb/s. A mere 5 Mb/s jump in bandwidth to nearly quadruple the pixel count is very retarded. The reasoning for this is bean-counter cost cutting crap. "Let's try to use the old equipment to make the new discs." And this is why the new discs are very limited and have picture quality not much better than standard DVD. It makes me wonder why Warner Bros. is so militant on that copy protection stance. If the picture quality is shit, why bother? Blu-Ray discs can run in the 20Mb/s to 30Mb/s range. I anticipate the picture quality to look noticeably better than HD-DVD. The Blu-Ray camp seems to be working faster at developing multi-layer discs as well. Of course, picture quality is not enough to win a format war. VHS was shit compared to Beta. But VHS won thanks to Sony wanting to keep the entire Betamax format to itself. Incompatible Sound? I'm not sure I understand this one. If Dolby Digital Plus is being used on any of the discs it is a backward compatible codec with standard Dolby Digital decoders. However, existing DD decoders will only play back a folded down portion of the otherwise expanded bitstream. Basically they'll get about the same DD performance as they currently get from existing DD tracks on DVD. Newer receivers can decode DD-Plus tracks with bitrates up to 6 Mb/s and lots more channels of sound. Dolby True HD is a different format and I think you need an entirely new kind of decoder. Dolby True HD has a lossless surround component (and at higher bit depths like 24-bit) to it. I'm not sure what DTS-HD requires from existing decoders or if it demands a new one.  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 04-23-2006 11:49 PM                     As far as the sound goes, the player has an internal DD+ decoder and 6 channel analog outputs for those of us without HDMI receivers. Sound can also be downconverted and sent over digital outputs, but as I understand it, the player does the downconverting. This particular player actually downconverts to a DTS signal, I suppose to take advantage of the higher bitrate(?). The only real incompatability issue that I've seen people comment on is how you need a DTS receiver in order to get 5.1 over a digital connection. If you only have DD, you're stuck with a 2 channel downmix. I don't really know anything about how this stuff works. I'm just speaking from firsthand experience and what I read on the internet, so I could be wrong.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-24-2006 01:45 AM                        What is it downmixing from?  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 04-24-2006 09:48 AM                     From the 5.1 DD+ track. As I understand it, the player has 2 digital audio output options: Bitstream, which is the 5.1 track, or PCM, which is a 2 channel downmix.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-24-2006 02:12 PM                        That is incredibly stupid. Dolby Digital Plus is backwards compatible. HD-DVD sucks ass!  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 04-25-2006 12:42 AM                     Yes, but it sucks moderately less ass than any other home video format currently on the market, so that's good. As for HD porn, I don't really see that taking off. The reason why VHS porn worked was because people could finally watch it in the privacy of their own home. DVD worked because it's a non-linear format and offered an added level of interactivity. But while HD DVD has those qualities, what puts it significantly above the rest is better picture and sound. And as we learned in BOOGIE NIGHTS, those two things don't matter when it comes to porn. Floyd Gondolli was right. It doesn't have to be good because no one cares. That being said, when THE OPENING OF MISTY BEETHOVEN comes out in HD, I'll be the first in line to buy it.  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 04-25-2006 01:16 PM                     Deep Throat is supposed to be coming out on HD-DVD, though that can't do too much for all the UGLY people in that movie!  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-25-2006 04:07 PM                     You'll be able to see all the red bumps and "chicken skin" from Linda Lovelace's shaved naughty region in full HD glory. As to the "downmixing" thing, Dolby Digital Plus can carry a lot more than 5.1 discrete channels, but should have the ability to fold those down into a 5.1 track (in a fashion similar to how DTS ES 6.1 works on a 5.1 system). The DD+ audio track will be able to run at much higher bitrates, but a standard DD decoder will not see anymore than 640kb/s of that bitstream and not anymore than 5.1 channels. As I said before, DD True HD is completely different and I think it requires a completely new decoder chip for playback. To me it seems like a successor of DVD Audio.  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 04-26-2006 03:05 PM                     On May 9th, Warner Home Video plans to release the movie "Rumor Has It" on DVD. They plan to release two versions. One with HD on one side of the disc and the standard definition on the other side and a regular version of the movie. The dual definition version is for those who may want to upgrade.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-26-2006 04:49 PM                        I have never heard of "Rumor Has It". Must suck donkey balls. Anyway if they plan for this to be successful, they need to price it like every new release DVD... $14.99.  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 04-26-2006 05:28 PM                     RUMOR HAS IT is Rob Reiner's new movie, and it's not that bad. It's sort of a pseudo-sequel to THE GRADUATE. The stupid part is that it's not $15. It's $40, which would be almost as much as buying both the DVD and HD DVD separately.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-26-2006 06:55 PM                        That is indeed stupid, as HD-DVD people certainly won't want the ever-so-slightly lower resolution regular DVD version.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-27-2006 11:41 AM                        If the HD people would announce: - NO MORE ANNOYING MENUS! - NO FBI LOGO! - NO MULTI-LINGUAL COPYRIGHT NOTICE! - NO TRAILERS! HD-DVD GOES RIGHT TO YOUR MOVIE WITHOUT ANY WAITING! ...it'd catch on faster.  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 04-27-2006 01:43 PM                     The Warner Bros. movies have FBI warnings and stuff, but there is no menu in the DVD sense. The movie starts up on its own, and the menu can be accessed as an overlay while the movie is playing. I like this, but I wish it started with a menu instead of the movie so that you could set the sound and stuff to the way it's supposed to be before the movie starts.  |  IP: Logged

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