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Author Topic: Any turntable junkies out there? Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 03-01-2008 02:34 PM                     ..and when you find GALE boxed sets, some M&K Realtime vinyls along with a quadry of RCA "Shaded Dog" classicals in thrift stores and the vinyls are still in a mint condition, you know that you've picked up someone serious vinyl collection.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-01-2008 07:43 PM                     Much to my wife's shagrin, all three of my reel-to-reels and the assorted cassette machines are still with me and working (to the best of my knowledge though they are not presently out, except the Tascam 35-2B (1/2-track stereo Rec/Play and 1/4-track play...kinda like Mark's RS1500US but in a Teac form instead of a Techniques). One rule I have with the playable vinyls are that the needle can only touch-down on the lead-in groove...there will not be any cueing on any of the tracks...I've found that can put ticks into the record. This is one of the reasons I have for the r-t-r and even cassette tapes...though the cassettes were traditionally used for car and booth (via a VERY early Sanyo version of a walkman)....because, lets face it... a r-t-r really drains a car battery and way too much hassle to bring to the booth each night!  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-01-2008 07:53 PM                     quote: Steve Guttag One rule I have with the playable vinyls are that the needle can only touch-down on the lead-in groove...there will not be any cueing on any of the tracks...I've found that can put ticks into the record. Same here...and there is no maybe to it, every drop of the needle DOES put a tick in the record.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 03-01-2008 09:20 PM                     ? Has anybody ever picked up on this laser turntable below? -Monte  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-01-2008 09:47 PM                     I have considered it, but have heard various reports that it is TOO good and picks up every little imperfection in the disc. Plus my LP collection isn't big enough to warrant that kind of money on a player when my current unit sounds great.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 03-01-2008 11:35 PM                     What I was wondering on the imperfection issue since we're dealing with many pressings from stampers that are generations apart from the mothers - let alone the distance from the original metal master. Sounds then that this player would be only good for original lacquer cuttings (or DMM cuttings) and including the metal masters since these were close to the production tapes.  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 03-01-2008 11:50 PM                     Those DMM records were really nice, in fact I've found Japanese records are of excellent quality and many times better than any other country, some of the Toshiba Records DMM's are awesome. Japanese jazz is sweet. The laser turntable would be good for cracked transcription discs and 78s.  |  IP: Logged Paul Trimboli Master Film Handler Posts: 274 From: Perth Western Australia Registered: Dec 2002 posted 03-03-2008 04:38 AM                     I am looking into getting a turntable as I will now have a very nice system to listen to records on. I would like to collect SACDs but there is just not the range of music on them so vinyl is really my only choice aside from CDs. What do people here think of the Rega P1 as this is a turntable I had been looking at? Is the sound of vinyl really better then CD? If you ask me I would say the sound is different with vinyl having a mellower quality about it. How fast does the sound quality of vinyl deteriorate when played back on good equipment?  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 03-03-2008 09:34 AM                     Even though there is an obvious Technics SL series fetish in this forum, of which I suffer myself, on a price to quality graph, the Rega really makes sense. It's no frills, but some audiophiles like that, in fact some downright refuse to have graphic equalisation of any kind. As far as record wear is concerned, you can play a record once with a slightly chipped stylus and ruin it forever, but with a perfect stylus and setup like you mentioned... The RIAA states that the frequency respose drops: 20 kHz after one play 18 kHz after three plays 17 kHz after five 16 kHz after eight 14 kHz after fifteen 13 kHz after twenty five 10 kHz after thirty five 8 kHz after eighty plays This is all fine, but alot has to do with the crap the previous owner was playing it on. Way back when, people didn't see the stuff as collectable so they probably just threw it around at parties, or maybe they did know and just didn't care. A lot has to do with the quality the record had when it was produced, if the stamper was worn, it was crap to start with, but I have played records many, many times and not heard much degradation, but if it was a $500 record, I would probably just buy the CD.  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 03-03-2008 12:13 PM                     I have 3 turntables here, one Goldring Lenco GL75 which is mainly used for 78's, a Linn LPK12 Sondek which is LP and 45s when really in the mood, and a Rega Planar 2 which is the day to day turtable. I really love the Rega's uncomplicated solidity. It just works, no frills, bells or whistles, just good sound.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-03-2008 12:28 PM                     quote: Damien Taylor The RIAA states that the frequency respose drops: 20 kHz after one play 18 kHz after three plays 17 kHz after five 16 kHz after eight 14 kHz after fifteen 13 kHz after twenty five 10 kHz after thirty five 8 kHz after eighty plays That can't be correct, as I've got records that have been played hundreds of times and in no way are the high frequencies above 8kHz gone. Good hearing isn't even required to hear those frequencies.  |  IP: Logged Bruce McGee Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1776 From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular. Registered: Aug 1999 posted 03-03-2008 01:31 PM                     I've owned 3 'quality' turntables since about 1976. 2 Dual belt-drives, and one Kenwood direct drive. I am currently playing a Benjamin Miracord unit made in 1968. Got it for $4 at the thrift store. It only needed a bit of oil. Since 1983, I've been using an Audio Technica cartridge that I bought then for about $170. It is on its fifth replacement diamond stylus. I have original albums that I bought in the early 1960's. All original Beatles, etc. The total LP collection numbers are over 2500. Many of my favorites are recorded onto reel to reel tape. I own a Technics RS-1500U deck, and an Ampex AG-440. Both have switchable 1/2 track, and 1/4 track playback. Dont know how many 45's I have. Probably enough for several juke boxes! [ 03-06-2008, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: Bruce McGee ]  |  IP: Logged Evans A Criswell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1579 From: Huntsville, AL, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 03-03-2008 02:27 PM                        Brad, I agree that the high frequency dropoff can't be anywhere near that bad after so few plays. I have records that got played hundreds of times back in the 80s and I never noticed a high frequency dropoff. All I noticed was increased pops and scratches over time.  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-03-2008 06:17 PM                     Back before CDs, I had a box of 10 reel to reel tapes that I would use to record "just bought" records, so that all the playings that the record would have gotten when I first got them, came from the r-t-r tapes. About the time I was not listening to some album much anymore, that tape would come up for reuse to record my latest record. This way the record would get one playing when I first got it, then just very occasional play. The tapes were recorded at 7.5 IPS with DBX noise reduction. There was no quality difference between the record and the tape.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 03-03-2008 07:39 PM                     (Gee Bruce, since you have that AG-440, you should take a peek at this page..back when sound was definitely reproduced..in analog form.) Guess I don't feel too bad having a collection of vinyl then as what Bruce has in his collection... Yet, heard that there are some who has wall to wall shelves covered in vinyl. Only thing I can see if the HF were dropping off is if the styli pressure was too great causing excessive groove wear, or the wrong kind of styli (conical instead of elliptical) was used.  |  IP: Logged

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