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Topic: DVD vs BR-DVD -- live together 4 how long?
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Mike Blakesley
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From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 02-21-2011 05:37 PM
quote: Tom Petrov
Steve-The record companies did have a hand in forcing consumers as well. The record companies would not allow retailers to return their pre-purchased unsold stock (this is still going on today)
Tom - once again you're showing how much you don't know. That has never been the case -- music stores always know the return terms, if any, when they buy product.
In the waning vinyl days, record companies always allowed returns of vinyl. How much could be returned depended upon the supplier. There were (and are) some suppliers who would take 100% returns, and others who would take smaller amounts -- but their prices were lower, so the retailer had to decide what to do -- pay more for 100% returnability, or go cheap but be stuck with almost everything you bought.
While it's true that there are more return restrictions now than there used to be, it's not like record companies suddenly said "sorry guys, you're stuck with all that vinyl." That didn't happen at all.
The whole "way more profit to be made" argument is silly as well. Don't you think manufacturers had to spend millions and millions of dollars developing the CD? Then they had to spend further millions to build plants, etc. The record companies would have been very happy to keep with the status quo, but the new product outperformed the old one by leaps and bounds, and was smaller and more durable besides, so the consumers bought it. Simple as that.
(In case you don't know, I've been in the music business since the early 70s so I know of which I speak here.)
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
Posts: 10973
From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 02-21-2011 06:48 PM
Tom, obviously you have no idea just how expensive Compact Disc production and replication was in its early days. Mouthing off to Mike, someone who has been in the business of actually selling the product for decades, makes you appear very ignorant.
It cost a LOT more to create a music CD back in the 1980s than it did in later years. The technology was new. There were very few disc replication facilities. By the 1990s the replication costs had come way down due to a greater number of replication facilities and their ability to produce discs at a much greater scale. But vinyl was long gone by then.
The format that really killed the vinyl LP was cassette tape. Vinyl LPs were not portable. Cassette tape was portable. It could be used in boom boxes, car stereos and Sony Walkman type devices. Cassettes were cheap. If memory serves correct new music on cassette often cost less than vinyl.
Compact disc did become popular relatively quickly for its mostly clean sound, greater dynamics and ability to instantly cue to specific song tracks. No more rewinding tape. No more farting with record needles. I don't think CD could have been fairly called a "mainstream" product until the end of the 1980s. I remember music stores in New York City cleaning out all their vinyl records in the 1986-87 time frame.
quote: Steve Guttag
With BluRay, that has already happened (reasonably priced players)...the BluRay players also play DVDs, output in SD (composite) as well as HD (Component and HDMI)...it is quite flexible. The only issue is that BluRay discs still command a premium price (on initial release, at least)...once that ceases...DVDs will be no more since their discontinuation won't "hurt" anyone (or not many). Attrition alone will deal with DVD players.
Blu-ray discs prices have come down a little more. When you account for inflation, the prices of new movies on Blu-ray today are about the same as new releases on DVD 10 years ago.
Blu-ray is indeed a flexible format. All the players can play DVD and even work attached to standard definition TV sets (with output changed to 480p). One downside, new Blu-ray players made after Dec. 31, 2010 will not have the ability to send full 1080p HD resolution signals over component video outputs. It's part of what's called the "analog sunset."
DVD's days are definitely numbered. It's no longer the top physical format for watching movies and a number of downloading options have it matched for audio/video quality and beat handily in terms of convenience. I have noticed more movie studios are stressing Blu-ray and not even mentioning DVD in commercials for movies coming to home video. Wal-Mart is devoting more and more of its home video shelf space to Blu-ray and shrinking what is available for DVD. When I see the same take place at Sam's Club then the end for DVD will be near.
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