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Tom Petrov
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 - posted 02-21-2011 07:26 PM      Profile for Tom Petrov     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mike-What it means is that record store owners will not stock an item unless they know it is going to sell well.

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Mike Olpin
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I guess that makes sense.

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 02-21-2011 09:03 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Tom, two things. First, you are not living in Peru/Colombia/South Africa/Canada right now. We do REQUIRE a real and current location to participate in the forums.

Want to know what else we require? We require you not make personal attacks towards other members, especially members such as Mike who has extensive experience in this industry (as well as the music industry).

Now would be an excellent time for you to read the rules of these forums and make appropriate changes. [Smile]

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Tom Petrov
record store owners will not stock an item unless they know it is going to sell well.
Good thing you are not a music store manager. You'd have totally missed out on ... well, every "new" artist in history.

There's no way to know if an item is going to sell well, even by an established artist. The audio graveyard is filled with albums by mega-selling artists whose next album after a blockbuster is a big flop.

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Tom Petrov
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Mike-New artists today do not get a vinyl. It took Taylor Swift two established records to finally come out with one. They still count for about 1% of record sales. Most large chains will not stock vinyl, and I find it interesting that these are the same chains that sell new record players.

On the flip side, there are a lot of vinyl's that people do not know about. Movies like Scott Pilgram got a vinyl and so did "Where are the Wild Things"....

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Tom Petrov
Mike-New artists today do not get a vinyl.
You never said your comment was referring to LPs. You just said "an item."

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Bobby Henderson
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Artist success has virtually nothing to do with an album getting a vinyl LP release today. Most artists and most record labels simply don't give a damn about releasing anything on vinyl.

The first album from Queens of the Stone Age in 1998 was released only on vinyl. While I enjoy that band's unusual music, I'm pretty sure they have sold nowhere near as many records as Taylor Swift.

The issue of who releases on LP and who doesn't must be taken on a band by band basis. Those who appeal more to the vinyl crowd may go to the trouble.

Björk and Nine Inch Nails aren't exactly mainstream acts yet both have released material on 180 gram vinyl before. You can buy the soundtrack to The Social Network on a 180 gram double album. The soundtrack is also available in a variety of download formats, standard CD and high resolution 24/96 stereo and LPCM 5.1 on Blu-ray Audio.

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Dan Biegner
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In my neck of the woods, vinyl is actually pretty trendy. Personally, I only collect jazz and hip hop albums on vinyl. Everything else is either digital or CD. Most record stores here DO actually carry vinyl as a result. I know that's probably not true everywhere or just anywhere, but thought it'd be interesting to note that it is still a niche market.

It's also funny to see that a lot of "indie" bands do make it a point to put out vinyls. One of the first vinyl records I bought after moving here was Sufjan Stevens's "Greetings! From Michigan!" Came with a bonus track not included on the CD. I think maybe I need to pick up that Scott Pilgrim record though. Good soundtrack. Same with Where the Wild Things Are too...

Regarding blu-ray vs. DVD, I pretty much buy exclusively on blu-ray at this point, though I have no qualms with DVD. The image quality of blu-ray really is enough for me to prefer that to DVD. And since blu-ray have more "space," you can pack more features on them as well, and I'm a fan of that. I think Sony spoiled me with the PS3 though. I don't see the difference between blu-ray and DVD to be as big as the gap between DVD and VHS, but it is enough that I notice it and have a preference. But the technology is similar, so I don't need to replace my DVDs with blu-rays the way I had to replace my VHS tapes with DVDs.

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Scott Jentsch
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DVD's have become a commodity item whose value has been reduced so far that $4.99 is becoming a common price attached to anything but new releases. I see DVD holding on for a while, but it's losing ground fast to streaming solutions.

Probably the biggest key factor in the popularity of DVD is for in-vehicle entertainment systems. Even those are starting to feature input jacks, so the kids can just plug their iPods into the console and see sponge-bob up on the viewscreen in the minivan.

Blu-ray is taking the position that DVD once had, but I fear that streaming will take over. Even though its quality is substandard, the convenience for the consumer and the price attraction for the studios and places like Amazon and Netflix may cause us to lose physical media altogether in the next several years.

I will not buy a movie on DVD. I was offered a DVD copy of a movie to review for my site, and I turned it down. Reviewing a DVD is a waste of time, as anyone who cares about the quality of the image or sound, or about the extras, is going to be interested in buying the Blu-ray version instead. If all they want is to see the movie, they can stream it or rent it from Redbox for a buck.

DVD has lost its value to the point where it has no value. Once the streaming suppliers bulk up their selections, there will be little use for the digital versatile disc.

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Dan Biegner
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You think the special features will be streamed too?

The Walking Dead first season was the first thing I bought on iTunes that wasn't music. (Don't have cable, so didn't know how else to watch it in good quality.) The "package" included a few special features, but it was barely anything. Granted special features on television shows can often be lackluster, but I wonder how big streaming or downloading will really be. Frankly, I don't think there is really adequate space on computers to download a lot (had to get an external harddrive just to store the six episodes of Walking Dead). And the reliance on internet access makes me not want to stream only. I think having a hard copy will stay around for a while longer. Streaming is nice, but my internet connection is too unreliable to use it exclusively. Right now, I view it more as a luxury (not that DVDs and blu-rays aren't also luxuries, but relatively speaking.)

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Mike Blakesley
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I ordered a Polar Express Blu-Ray from Amazon last Christmas and right away I got a link to be able to watch it right then on my computer, or I could have watched it thru their site on Tivo (I think).

It's only a matter of time until broadband is widespread enough that THAT becomes the norm, and having a physical copy will be three or four times the money. Then it won't be long until "lesser" titles don't see a physical release at all.

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Tom Petrov
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Mike-I think you are a little too optimistic on the whole downloading thing. There will be a need for hard copies for a while. There are some that don't want to just download. I think downloading is still at least 5 years away and it will replace renting before it officially replaces buying.

Just my opinion, I still think there is a very large market for store bought movies.

Just curious, maybe you can comment. Can one purchase a movie from iTunes/Netflix or whatever and burn the copy and print the box cover?

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Tom Petrov
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Here is a good article that is relevant to this thread.

Sample of the article

"So what about Blu-ray? Yet another format to drain the pockets of film fans and collectors. The thought of starting all over again is exhausting in itself. But wait. This time around, it doesn't look like the new technological kid in town will get an upper hand for three simple reasons:

1) Old standard definition videotapes reveal hardly any picture quality improvement when up-converted to high-definition Blu-ray; therefore, DVD remains the favoured format for television programs and movies from the past.

2) Blu-ray machines can play older DVD films; both mediums exist in compatibility.

3) Last but not least, the biggest obstacle to terminating the DVD is that many consumers are quite satisfied with it, myself included."

There is no indication the DVD will fade away; in fact, it is predicted it will remain the dominant force in the home entertainment arena for years to come.

dvd-br

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Chris Slycord
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Those articles miss the point. Blu ray doesn't have to quickly and totally remove DVD from the market to be successful.

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Scott Jentsch
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That piece by Andrew Merey on durhamregion.com is flawed in the very points he uses to support his opinion.

1) Old movies can look great on Blu-ray. It takes some effort to do a good transfer, but when it's done right, we get The Searchers and Casablanca. One would hope that he doesn't think that raiding the stack of GoodTimes videotapes is the way that DVD's and Blu-ray's are authored.

2) He got this one right, but it was an easy one.

3) This is a classic old-fogey response used by people that aren't necessarily old, but stuck in their ways nonetheless. When you watch a lot of HD, SD doesn't look so good any more.

That said, I don't think it's a zero-sum game. DVD doesn't have to die for Blu-ray to be successful. Streaming can work alongside both of them, but I think it poses the most serious risk to DVD, with Blu-ray becoming possible collateral damage if too many people are willing to overlook the diminished quality that is received in exchange for the convenience.

Of course, that could be just temporary if the bandwidth is available on both ends of the chain. I just watched an HD movie via Netflix Instant Watch on a 120" screen, and it looked pretty good. Good enough that most people wouldn't notice a difference between that and Blu-ray.

The movies he mentions would most likely appear on streaming services before any physical medium, due to the cost involved with pressing, distributing, and selling discs. Streaming seems to be an excellent way to deal with such titles, followed closely by Amazon's CreateDVD or whatever they call their burn-to-DVD process.

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