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Mark J. Marshall
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 - posted 07-18-2006 09:04 AM      Profile for Mark J. Marshall     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, I finally got a chance to catch this last night at the UA King Of Prussia Stadium 16. This was, I think, my third time seeing this movie, and it was kind of late (10:30 show) and I was a little tired, so take all of that into account when reading my review.

First of all, unlike Brian's theater, these guys did change their polarizer config from |_ to /\, which was cool, because I got to wear my comfortable glasses that I bought for Jeff's first 3D festival. And it's always fun to tell the ticket taker that I don't need the glasses. [Cool] Unfortunately, they told me that the polarizer config was only changed for this one movie. Every other customer was given the cheapo theme park ride square glasses.

The picture seemed a little softer than other DMR films in my opinion. While some of the other films went from extremely sharp to a little soft, this one stayed relatively consistantly soft throughout the show. I'm not sure if I prefered it that way or not. And I could have swore that I detected some blown up film grain in a couple of shots too. Are we sure that the whole thing was shot in HD? The volume was a little low for IMAX standards I thought, but that was probably the operator's fault. COME ON GUYS, I WANT TO HEAR THAT BOOMING SUPERMAN MARCH BLOWING ME THROUGH THE BACK OF THE THEATER WHEN I SEE IT IN IMAX!!! [Mad] [thumbsdown]

As for the 3D, I have mixed feelings on that. Going in, I had the experience of seeing a lot of dual strip 3D films in 35mm at Jeff's festival, and at Pete's theater. I've also seen the 70mm 3D stuff at Disney World and Universal Studios about a hundred times, and I've seen a few IMAX 3D films as well. All were dual strip, and all were actually FILMED that way to begin with. I was a little skeptical about the possibility of converting a 2D image to 3D. Now, having seen this movie, I can tell you that it can be done. But it looks like it might be a pain staking process right now which needs some refining.

There were a couple of "money" 3D shots. Some close ups of Lois Lane looked absolutely realistic and phenomenal. Some of the other shots looked forced, and totally off. But most of the shots were somewhere in between. There was at least one shot that I caught where the background looked like a two dimensional rear projection screen behind the action. You actually see that quite a bit in the old 3D westerns from the 50s, but the difference is that back then, it actually WAS a rear projection screen behind the stage coaches. In this case, the film makers probably either ran out of time or overlooked it.

But that all has to do with the 2D to 3D conversion technique. Given the money shots, I believe that this is something that can be done. But it might not be something ready for prime time. I guess we'll know next year when Star Wars comes out. But even that will be plauged with the field sequential flickering problem that's inherent in the DLP systems.

To make matters worse, something was off with the 3D in this theater. Either the operators threaded it wrong, or the projectors aren't in sync for some reason. I don't know enough about IMAX projectors to speculate what the problem could have been. All I can tell you is that the left eye was VERY SLIGHTLY ahead of the right eye. This created a very annoying flickering effect almost like the field sequential flickering effect of DLP. This was only really noticeable to the average viewer during shots where there was a lot of motion on the screen, like the plane crash scene. But somehow, I detected it from the first shot of the green band for the first trailer. For a while, all I knew was that there was a problem, but I couldn't put my finger on what it was. Eventually I spotted the left eye being ahead of the right. I don't believe that it was off by a full frame though because that's painfully obvious when that happens. Maybe the shutters are out of sync? No idea. One of our IMAX gurus can comment.

Anyway, it was "neat". It was "cool". But overall, I was under impressed by the lack of consistancy in the quality of the 3D shots, and the out of sync problem. But the money shots do give me hope that one day this process will be perfected.

Edit: Here's my other two questions that I forgot to mention:

1... Why even take the glasses off for the 2D scenes? Once the polarizer swings out of the way, you can see the left eye print with both eyes anyway, so what's the point of the distraction? Did they just want to say to the audience "Here comes a 3D scene, so get ready!" ?

And 2... Is there a changeover that closes on the right eye while it's black, or is the black film from the right eye print being projected on top of the left eye print?

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Brian Michael Weidemann
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 - posted 07-18-2006 03:14 PM      Profile for Brian Michael Weidemann   Author's Homepage   Email Brian Michael Weidemann   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wearing the glasses the whole time would prevent you from seeing the image as bright and colorful as it's being projected. And it's not healthy for your eyes anyway.

The black right eye is projected during the whole film, however, if they are using the same polarizer set up, that black is filtered through two polarizer plates as well (since the left eye swings up into the right eye path).

If the right eye wasn't a full frame off, then it had to be in synch (if it was a GT system, with both eyes playing physically off the same rotor). I don't know how the SR's play together, since those are physically different projectors for each eye. I don't know what system King of Prussia uses. My guess is that, whatever their system, it was indeed a frame off. I couldn't know for sure without seeing it myself.

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Mark J. Marshall
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 - posted 07-19-2006 12:06 PM      Profile for Mark J. Marshall     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks, Brian.

Good points on the glasses and the right eye projection. I hadn't considered those things.

Given how big those prints are, and how fast they're spinning, if they do have a problem where they thread it one frame off, and then they spot the problem, how difficult is it to stop the show and re-thread to fix it?

I have some younger cousins coming to visit me next week, and I may take them to see it. We'll see if the problem is still there. I'll also ask which system they have at KOP.

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Bob Brown
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 - posted 07-19-2006 01:56 PM      Profile for Bob Brown   Author's Homepage   Email Bob Brown   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark:

By reading your description, I really sounds like one of the "eyes" was off by one frame. This really should be caught at the thread up as one eye will not show "Picture Start when looking into the lens, but things happen in certain booths. [Confused] There is an outside chance that the motor controller may be failing, but this should trigger the system to generate a E-Stop. I run SR projectors, and as Brian has stated, his projector is a GT where the twin rotors are stacked and locked together, where the SR system has two projectors with just one rotor each. I have during test screenings, had a 3D print jump out by one frame, and it sure is noticeable. I am sorry that you had to sit thur this less the desirable show. Hope your next visit is much better.....

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Mark J. Marshall
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 - posted 07-19-2006 03:25 PM      Profile for Mark J. Marshall     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah, see.... I'm going to go out on a limb and guess they have an SR then and that they were off a little bit. But I'll ask which system they have when I get there, and report back.

Thanks, fellas.

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Pravin Ratnam
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 - posted 07-24-2006 10:46 AM      Profile for Pravin Ratnam   Email Pravin Ratnam   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When I saw Superman, I noticed my cousins and a few people near me expressed initial disappointment at how much smaller the projected image was going to be. I wasn't since I knew about the letterboxing. I was actually glad to hear my cousin remark what I was thinking inside - a conventional 70MM movie in a big scren would be the same size as the IMAX presentation without the odd seating layout.
It's too bad Hollywood neglected 70MM over the years. If people are willing to pay 12 bucks for an IMAX version, I would assume they would pay 10 bucks for a 70MM version. They could always jazz up the name.

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Jason Setzer
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What was everyones build time for Superman?

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