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Joe Redifer
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quote: Hillary Charles
The advantage of 3-D in IMAX is while the scale does appear to be reduced, the hugeness of the image makes the edges of the frame meaningless. Smaller screens generally must avoid violating the "stereo window," keeping the depth of the action at a given distance. Since that rule need not apply in IMAX, the environment we're watching can extend much farther off the screen without being gimmicky.

Yes, but only if you're lucky enough to be sitting in the middle of the auditorium.

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quote: Joe Redifer
Yes, but only if you're lucky enough to be sitting in the middle of the auditorium.
Oh yeah! We ALWAYS get there early enough to have our choice of seats within that "sweet spot."

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I remember the IMAX sequences were more impressive in The Dark Knight when they opened up vertically, and there were only a few times in The Dark Knight Rises when I actually noticed that the image was taller. The transition between scope and IMAX were more subtle this time around.

Given that, I don't think I would have any issues about seeing the movie on a good-sized scope screen. I don't think the extra height added all that much, and I certainly hope they don't do the aspect ratio dance on the Blu-ray like they did with TDK.

I'd also like to see the movie again just to see if another theater would have better bass and surround envelopment. Does anyone know if the IMAX release is a different sound mix than the non IMAX release?

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I bet this Imax theater simply has no bass at the moment because there was plenty of sub bass at the one I attended.The bass level in the mix seems pretty close to our 35mm D.T.S and Dolby Digital.

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quote: Scott Jentsch
I remember the IMAX sequences were more impressive in The Dark Knight when they opened up vertically, and there were only a few times in The Dark Knight Rises when I actually noticed that the image was taller. The transition between scope and IMAX were more subtle this time around.
Maybe this is due to more footage being in IMAX this time? Also, it seems that more of the transitions were during dark scenes in this one. Plus, the intro of the Joker in The Dark Knight was designed to "stand out" vs. the more James Bond like opening sequence in The Dark Knight Rises.

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We took a trip down to the theater mentioned in the title on 8/07 for the 10:45pm and all things considered, found the presentation to fall somewhere between "good" and "very good". I was also quite pleased to find the the print has remained extremely clean and in perfect condition. We had a great time and witnessed something truly amazing!

On a more critical note, I must agree with Joe about there being several illumination issues and quite frankly, it was abysmal. I would not, however, call any part of the picture dim; my problem was with the almost blinding hot spot in the center that gradually faded out more evenly. Perhaps this was an extremely botched remedy to the dim picture Joe spoke of. The flicker he mentioned was present.
I did notice some travel ghost durring the credits but did not notice it elsewhere.
There were also about 20 random, loud "pops" in the sound that occurred about 25 isolated times throughout the screening. Subs seemed great.

The plates certainly were not good but far from the worst i've ever seen. "Acceptable" is how I will rate them.

I must disclose that my review should perhaps be taken with a half-grain of salt. I am sure I saw the presentation thru rose-colored glasses as I have never before seen an actual 15/70 IMAX presentation (barring a handful of nature shorts at the Denver Museum of Nautre and Science which went digital itself about 1 1/2 years ago) and have long feared I never would. Given the fact that I am a full-time theater operator myself with very few nights off and no time for significant ammount of time for travel, this was most likely my last and only chance to cross viewing a 15/70 feature off my bucket list. For this alone, I am eternally thankful and alas, much more forgiving and less critical that I would be of any other presentation. Needless to say, I also have nothing else to compare it to [Wink]

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Sounds like they fixed maybe a couple of issues, or at least the subs. I'm wondering if the film projector was reinstalled a bit too close, resulting in the fuzzy edges. You also described a problem inherent with silver screens, but to my knowledge IMAX does not use silver screens, even in their digital locations.

Also, why are IMAX auditoriums always so small? This one was 350 seats or so. The one at the Luxor in Vagas couldn't have been more than 100 or 150 seats. The Denver museum IMAX seems much bigger. But maybe that's because I haven't been there since I was a kid.

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The 2 Imax theaters capable of 3d which I recently attended did indeed have silver screens and aperture fuzz at the top of the screen.
Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn and Cineplex Scotiabank Toronto.
Both things bug me but to fix aperture fuzz just raise that bitch up a little [Roll Eyes] Why can't they do that?

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Tony, thanks for posting the update. I've been thinking about going back, and this is encouraging.

Joe, thanks for complaining in the first place.

Geoff "not a very discerning moviegoer" Jones

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Joe

All IMAX 3D screens are silver.

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Dick,

Have you forgotten the anaglyph print of 'We are Born of Stars' which ran at Bradford many years ago when you had the original system there? Was that unique, or were there any other anaglyph IMAX films? I've never heard of any others.

Are there any plans to install digital IMAX in Bradford, and if so will it be in addition to, or replacing, film?

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nWave rereleased _Encounter in the Third Dimension_ in the ColorCode (yellow/blue) anaglyph process. Initial polaroid release in 1999. ColorCode version release in 2000.

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quote: Dick Vaughan
All IMAX 3D screens are silver.
Thanks for updating my knowledge. That's pretty lame, though. Especially with such large screens.

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quote: Joe Redifer
Thanks for updating my knowledge. That's pretty lame, though. Especially with such large screens.
There were a few IMAX locations that used active 3D glasses, but they seem to be gone. IMAX 3D and D-IMAX 3D uses polarized glasses and polarizers in front of the projectors. With a white screen, this would simply not work.

The IMAX 3D is of the horizontal/vertical polarization kind. If you tilt your head just a little bit, the whole image starts to become one big mess. I don't know why they don't use circular polarization like Real-D, but I guess it has something to do with this kind of polarizers being more light-efficient.

When you watch a movie in D-IMAX 3D, you can actually see and often hear the polarizers being positioned in front of the lenses.

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"We Are Born Of Stars" was made for Fujitsu to show at their pavilion at a Japanese Expo in Tsukuba, 1985. It followed a test reel of Omnimax computer animated material for SIGGRAPH which proved the concept worked. Transforming flat animation into a hemispherical dome image gives a different possible projected 3D space compared to flat: the "3D window" effect is reduced even more than with flat IMAX and there is greater freedom in object placement within the auditorium space.
Anaglyph was used because there was no real alternative. An over/under polarized system would reduce image resolution and require silver screens (no solver domes existed) plus the linear polarized glasses cause issues in a dome theatre: you do a lot of looking around at images and tilting your head ruins the image separation. Circular polarizer material has gotten a lot more efficient since 1985 but today's best still lose more light than current linear polarizers.
This film was released to Omnimax and Imax theatres, at the time there were no silver IMAX screens so a polarized system would be useless. The image distortion on a flat screen is distracting but the story and most of the 3D effect are intact.
The IMAX Dome 3D system ("Solido") with active shutter glasses did not premiere until 5 years later at Expo 90 (Fujitsu again). Because of the head tilt problem, simple polarizer 3D was not acceptable so the LC shutter glasses were developed.
IMAX 3D on a silver screen premiered at Expo 86 in Vancouver, with polarized glasses. The Suntory pavilion had this 3D system at Expo 90. Producing a decent silver screen in IMAX size was a major hassle. Probably it still is.
Some other developments came and went. Using the shutter glasses along with polarizers gave reduced ghosting with almost no brightness loss, and this was used at the New York Lincoln Square IMAX and possibly other venues. It may have even had a name, "Crystal 3D" or something.
So, yes, there was "Imax" 3D content in 15/70 anaglyph. And yes, currently all Imax 3D screens are silver with their resulting and unavoidable hotspot.
I don't know if there is any 3D Dome system operating today, but these use a matte screen and shutter glasses.

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