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Jeff Skallan
Film Handler

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From: Littleton, CO, USA
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JYOTI THOTTAM,

I am writing to you in regard to a recent article published in TIME entitled "The Death of Film." I have been employed as a professional motion picture projectionist for over 12 years and have found that this article is completely false and represents poor judgment on behalf of Time Magazine to report such false and misleading information.

Film, if presently correctly, does not show wear after it's first run! I have personally run many films with no detectable loss in quality hundreds upon hundreds of runs. Film is by far superior in quality to ANY digital medium currently in development by surpassing it in resolution, sharpness, color, contrast and white balance. The new digital projection systems employ an image compression system that is most noticeable, and results in digital pixel artifacts which appear as block squares.

In this article it was stated that the latest digital projection systems "can deliver images as sharp and rich as the best film print, without ever degrading." This is simply not true! Digital projection quality just isn't there yet. Digital cannot yet accurately reproduce low light and low contrast images the same way that film does. Quite frankly, digital projection cannot deliver the nuances, integrity and richness of color that film provides.

Studios have already implemented a "watermark" technology as a weapon against counterfeiting and piracy used for more than 20 years called CAP-Code. With this technology, pirated material can be traced back to the original screen it was played on.

Film is far from death. Please print a retraction and be more responsible when reporting about the benefits of this new technology.

Regards,

Jeff Skallan
Motion Picture Projectionist


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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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Bobby, I don't think you are going overboard with your explanation of the word "Digital". I think you are right on the money. Brad and I joke about this all the time, especially when conversing on his "digital cell phone". It cuts out if he moves his head, I complain, and then he informs me that I have no basis of complaint since it is "digital". Digital means "perfect". I then realize the error of my ways and worship the mighty digital Sprint cell phone.

Oh and did you know when you point a video camera at a DLP screen there is little to no flicker?


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Will Kutler
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Tucson, AZ, USA
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I will be writing in my response hopefully tomorow...

Any, digital is better? I mave taken my parents' 1960s Bell and Howell Super 8 camera and filmed things that would most probably have ruined a video camera!

Personally, I would love toi get my hands on a good 16mm camera...and there are plenty to be had...the old machines used by news cameramen/war photojurnalists during WWII are still around and are excellent machines! Problem is the cost of the film...which is beyond my budget!

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Peter Schoell
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Frank
I like the idea of the film snipe. If you get something made I'll buyu 11 of them, and maybe if we can order enough, the custom price can be spred out.
Do you think the snipe should have a red circle with a line through it and TIME magazine div of AOL Time-Warner inside the circle?

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Joe Redifer
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I wouldn't do that as it makes it sound like too much of a personal vendetta. Instead I would have it say something to the effect of "We want to show you the best presentation possible, and we find that only film can deliver this... etc etc etc" Don't make it too much to read though, or people won't be interested in reading it.


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Scott Norwood
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Frank: why not just do something as simple as "this theatre endeavors to provides its customers perfect presentation quality--'Film Done Right'--for every show" or something like that. Simple and to the point.

Of course, it could prove interesting in the event of a problem, since no theatre is perfect and we have all had problems of various types.

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Brad Miller
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Make sure it is black letters on a clear background and place it first thing on the roll! That's where the real professionals shine.


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David Stambaugh
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Maybe a short 30-second or so trailer that poses the question "Which do you think looks better?" and show 2 side-by-side images with the same content. The left image, labeled "35MM Professional Motion Picture Film: 4000x3000 pixels" (or whatever the correct specs are). The right image is labeled "Digital Cinema: 1280x1024 pixels". Of course these images are designed to contrast the relative resolutions of the 2 formats. Fade out, then this appears: "This theatre proudly presents its features on 35mm Professional Motion Picture Film" or whatever wording you like. (Will help a lot if you keep your trailers & snipes clean, which seems to be a nagging problem for some theatres whose features otherwise look fine...)

Actually, with most theatres having slide projectors these days, you could make up a couple of slides to do this and it would cost you next to nothing. Just make sure your slide projector puts up a decent image.


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Josh Jones
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Film: the first and only choice for over 100 years


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"Film is made of silver, video is made of rust"
'nuf said

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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

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I know nothing about Digital Cinema (I've never even seen a presentation in digital), except what I've read here. But I do know plenty about film. And what I do know is that Film Done Right can't be beat. But just so I can get my facts straight, where can I read about all the specs on Digital Cinema?

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This one time, at Projection Camp, I stuck a xenon bulb....

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John Pytlak
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Here is some insight into premature predictions:

""Film Is Dead!" was a banner headline on page one of Daily Variety in 1956 when Ampex invented video-tape. Other predictions that went awry were as follows: Television will kill radio. Television will kill the cinema. Television will create a "theater in every house with benefits for children and cultural education."That last prediction was made in 1930 by David Sarnoff, the founder of NBC and RCA, who apparently didn't envision Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire?. A prediction was made that all movies in the future will be produced in 3-D format. All movies will be produced in Cinerama format.All movies will be produced in CinemaScope format.All movies and dramas for television will be produced and distributed in high-definition video format within 10 years. The New York Times made that last prediction in 1982.The moral is that if you are going to predict the future, you'd better have some grounding in the past. Otherwise you are destined to repeat the same mistakes."

Victor J. Kemper, ASC (Past) President
http://www.kodak.ch/US/en/motion/story/commentary.shtml

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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"This theatre only uses Ultra High Resolution Motion Picture Film in our presentations. Film is the ONLY format capable of displaying all the visual nuances captured by the film camera.

No lower resolution digital video equipement is ever used."

Frank, this is actually a rather good idea. You have no idea how many people think that theatres run video tape or DVD. If they don't know what they are watching, the can't have a frame of reference to compare.

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John Pytlak
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For SMPTE members who have subscriptions to the SMPTE On-Line Library, there is a very good illustrated presentation that compares film and digital origination for sharpness, artifacts, noise/grain, tone scale, latitude, etc.:
http://www.smpte.org/members_only/library/download.cfm?file=morton.pdf

The paper "Assessing the Quality of Motion Picture Systems from Scene to Digital Data" was published in the February/March 2002 SMPTE Journal.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

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Michael Barry
Jedi Master Film Handler

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My favourite 'premature prediction'?

...the paperless office.

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Brad Miller
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It's ashamed that the prediction "all movies will be produced in CinemaScope format" didn't happen.

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