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John Pytlak
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 - posted 05-21-2002 08:05 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
At the single screen drive-in I worked at (carbon arc, 2000-foot changeover operation), we were EXPECTED to patrol the lot between changeovers, checking the speakers, making sure there were no problems, etc. While in the booth, we repaired speakers, attended to maintenance, etc.

At one of the single screen indoor houses I worked at, the owner originally had a "rule" that the projectionist had to stay in the tiny projection room (Standard Simplex and Peerless Magnarcs). I convinced him that as long as I did a good job inspecting the print to avoid the risk of film breaks, seeing and hearing the presentation as the audience did was the best way to assure quality. He became a "believer" as we never had a film break, and presentation quality improved dramatically as I was able to catch and fix the tiny problems you couldn't see or hear from the booth.

IMHO, the projectionist should not be distracted by duties unrelated to projection. But "walking the floor" to critically look and listen in each auditorium, and to overhear what the audience is saying about presentation quality in the lobby is time well spent, and an important part of the job.

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Brad Haven
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One of my F.O.H. duties is to open the cinema doors at the end of the show, i also find it good, overhearing comment's on their experience is very handy, the ones that didn't enjoy the show are normally the first ones out and atleast 90% dont complain!

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Jacob Huber
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From: Evansville, IN, USA
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One of the theatres I used to work at (last week was my last) in our chain, the booth is horribly designed. 4 of the "booths" are on platforms in the lobby (3,4,5, and 6), two on each side of the entryway into the hallway. The entryway to this hallway is were theatres 4 and 5 doors are immediately located. Going right down this hall in front of 7 is the booth door. Right up the stairs is projector 7 and to the right of it in an elevated room are projectors 8 and 9. About 250-300 feet of walkway to the left of 7 leads to another elevated room housing projectors 1 and 2. This is a real pain when screening movies in house 1 or 2. If something goes wrong, we have a ladder that extends out of the porthole into the last row of seating (stadium). You can either climb up this ladder, which is a PITA, or take the near 5 minute walk up to the booth. We do however have a Big Sky alarm system in the manager's office to notify us of any major malfunctions throughout.

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Will Kutler
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As I explained in other posts that I have made....

at the theatre where I was previously employeed, it was "policy" for all 20 auditoriums to be walked once each shift (twice per day).

As part of walking each screen, we had a daily log on which everying was observed/recorded. This log included shadows/overshoots, sound quality, screen illumination, dirt/scratches and anything else.

This log also served as a decent way to keep track of any projectionist who was "slacking" on the job.

In this 20 screen theatre, two projectionists were on duty at all times. Projectionists and floor staff all had radios, so there was communication at all times.

Furthermore, each projector was to be checked at least 3 times per show.

When I was employed at this theatre, I was older than my co-workers (including the g.m.) I also come from a no-nonsense background with a lot of mechanical experience.

I did make myself a little unpopular because, even though I was the "low man on the totem-pole", so to speak, I made it known that I disapproved of "slackers" of which there were some in the booth.

I was accused of being too picky and a little harsh...did not play good politics and could have been more p.c. After all, what kind of quality employee is a major chain going to get when they are not willing to pay much more than minimum wage?

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Joe Redifer
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Jacob-

We MUST have pictures of that theater. Can you get some we can post on the Film-Tech picture page?

Will-

I don't know what Century usually pays, but I hear it's between $6 and $7 per hour for booth employees. The Century out here offered me $7.50 per hour as a starting wage. I refused because it was the lowest wage in the state. I do like the theaters they build, though.


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Darren Crimmins
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This is in addition to Brad's mentioning of the Cinemark 20 in Plano, Tx. I used to work there as the booth manager, and I can confirm that that booth was AWFUL to have to deal with all the stairs. The managers would often have a print move from #8 to #13 (which are the same sized houses) which were the farthest away just so the cleaning times would better agree with the cleaning staff downstairs. Myself and the GM had plenty of arguments about this but he felt that getting a theater cleaned a couple of minutes earlier was worth us dragging Gladiator prints a mile across the theater.
The theater employees were paid fairly well, $8.00 for floor staff and $8.25 for projection staff, but we still did not really get quality people because Plano kids are so spoiled anyway.
I believe David mentioned a theater earlier that had bass probelms that it was too low. That must also be a Cinemark theater. Thier 'wonderful' techs like to keep the bass barely audible and the dialogue covering everything else, killing action surround sound (also they like to chech levels by stickling the decibel reader out the port-hole glass). And these techs do not like it when you try to increase the bass or use film-guard to try to clean up the prints to draw attention away from other technical problems that are not being fixed. They will find a way to ensure that you are no longer there to do these things for a better presentation. Personal experience has told me that.

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David Stambaugh
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Darren, That was Cinemark 17 in Springfield OR. Saw AOTC in their largest house, #16, in SR-D. NO DEEP BASS AT ALL!!! Zero. It's as if the subs are turned off or disconnected or something. Apart from that it sounded pretty good. A DTS house (#3) had more bass but still a little deficient. It seems like all their Dolby houses are the worst in that regard. The DTS houses are barely OK. I've whined to them numerous times about this and the response is always "All our theaters are calibrated to industry standards." BULL.

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Michael Barry
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Think of it this way, David: once all theatres convert to digital projection, concerns such as yours will be a thing of the past. I just know it.


EDIT: Oops. It looks like my extreme sarcasm was taken at face value. The very point of my post was that the way that digital projection is being touted in the popular media is that of a cure-all requiring zero supervision and maintenance. The post I was responding to, namely a sound problem, is EXACTLY the kind of thing that will not change with digital or analog projection. In fact, my greatest fear is that such problems will actually get worse because of the 'perfect/maintanence free' mindset that gets sold with digital. I was kind of hoping that anyone who has read any of my past posts would have known that I couldn't possibly have been serious. My bad!

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'How about a movie? They're showing them in theatres now! I hear it's like watching a video with a bunch of strangers and a sticky floor.' - Xander Harris, from 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'.


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Gordon McLeod
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You should have put a smile after that one as I hope you ae not serious

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Aaron Sisemore
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>>Think of it this way, David: once all theatres convert to digital projection, concerns such as yours will be a thing of the past. I just know it.<<

What would DLP do that would make bad digital (or analog for that matter) sound a thing of the past?!? If a sound system is not properly aligned it wouldnt matter whether you fed a mono film track, mag or the audio track from the DLP server thru it its still gonna sound like crap.

-Aaron


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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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>>Think of it this way, David: once all theatres convert to digital projection, concerns such as yours will be a thing of the past. I just know it.<<


Really? Look at it this way. There are currently, what, 63 DLP venues for AOTC? I'm willing to bet that all of them are getting top notch technical support and being closely monitored. Will the same conditions exist when there are 1,000 screens? 5,000 screens? I'll bet not! You will simply have what John Pytlak has referred to previously: "Digital Done Wrong".

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Nick Catalano
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The economics don't add up today, but they will/should in a few years when we have film-res. options.

Storage should be interesting then too, because if BlueRAY gets off the ground there will be a non-harddrive way of displaying the movie (get a few BlueRAY disks in an array and run with it). I don't understand why Sat/Fiber distribution is so damn important with movie distribution, you can always FedEX a few DVDs and then you have a more economical medium than HDD-RAID.

Plus, unless you run RAID 0 or 10 (where there is always 2 copies of all the data) if one of the Hard Drives goes out your entire multiplex goes out until you pop in a fresh hard drive and let the array reconstruct the data using parity on the other disks (which takes quite a bit of time).

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Brent Neal Jones
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To my "brothers-in-industry", Thank you ! Through your passion for the best presentation, various backgrounds in tech-fields and work experience, I believe you have summed up the "pros" and cons of "D-Cinema". The truth is friends, there are a lot of ignorant people out there being sold on a "perfect" fix to exibition problems. It is my personal belief that it is the major "plexes" that should be under fire for giving "Death of Film" fuel. To the average Joe Blow out there spending his hard-earned dollar on a film that...well, for example, starts out of frame, "D-Cinema" holds water. It is up to all of us to do the best job possible to "spread the word" of the REAL superiority of film.
When I first started projecting movies, I once asked how carbon-arc worked and why it wasn't around like it used to be. Well, I know now there is no real place in the market for it anymore, but I never got a chance to see it work untill recently. I found out that the "technology" behind carbon-arc was much more forgiving and reliable than I had first been led to believe. I only hope that the right people learn the same thing about film before it's too late, before they find out what they're really missing. The simple reliability and quality shouldn't be ( and I'm sure won't be) just forgotten about before digital technology can prove itself to be a higher medium than film. Xenon was proven before theatres upgraded lamphouses wasn't it ?!!
Thank God there is a forum of people that know their stuff to oppose the advancement of the "Digital Age" where it doesn't yet have a place. (Except in D.T.S. Now that's a proven advancement!)

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Michael Barry
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Gordon:


Oops. It looks like my extreme sarcasm was taken at face value. The very point of my post was that the way that digital projection is being touted in the popular media is that of a cure-all requiring zero supervision and maintenance. The post I was responding to, namely a sound problem, is EXACTLY the kind of thing that will not change with digital or analog projection. In fact, my greatest fear is that such problems will actually get worse because of the 'perfect/maintanence free' mindset that gets sold with digital. I was kind of hoping that anyone who has read any of my past posts would have known that I couldn't possibly have been serious. My bad!

The short version: Of course I was joking!

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'How about a movie? They're showing them in theatres now! I hear it's like watching a video with a bunch of strangers and a sticky floor.' - Xander Harris, from 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'.


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Bill Enos
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One of the things I think many are missing is that digital motion picture presntation like all other products only has to be good enough, not even good. It doesn't have to be perfect or just as good as film. Nor does it have to be as reliable or trouble free. It needs to be only good enough and cheap enough to satisfy the buyers (theatre patrons and theatre owners buying machines.) You can piss and moan about whatever but I believe those are the ones who will ultimately bring digital in.

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