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John Wilson
Film God
Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 05-28-2002 08:37 AM
Did you mean Hearts In Atlantis or Atlantis? Surely, Warner Bros. didn't put Hearts In Atlantis into a DLP set-up.BTW, you are wrong. You haven't seen 'Film Done Right'. If you had, you wouldn't be going on about how wonderful DLP is, CGI originated images excluded. ------------------
"It's not the years honey, it's the mileage". - Indiana Jones.
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Brent Neal Jones
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 211
From: Ennis, T.X., USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 05-28-2002 09:03 AM
Cleanliness of film done right I assure you is just that, clean. I currently work at the Badin Rd. Drive-In in Albemarle, N.C. With all the dust and piss poor enviroment that I and Martin Murray deal with, I can assure you that with proper handling, film can and will stay perfect for 100's of shows. Film-Guard is our secret, both for removing dirt from other houses to keeping the film static and dirt free. Hands down, Brad Miller is a film-god for marketing this stuff. I love it and I know our patrons enjoy dirt and scratch free viewing.
We currently run 12,000 ft. reels in an effort to keep film safe from a platter in a bad enviromant, and to preserve the film from passing over numerous rollers that tend to attract and implant dirt on film without regular attention. Fact: Martin only has to clean his projector once every month or two, and greases and oils once a year with thread-up visual check-ups on things such as rollers and intermittant oil level. And he's in a drive-in !! If it can be "done right" here, with minimal energy and little trouble, it can be done right easily in an indoor house.
I do, however, understand the "plight" of the modern indoor projectionist. I've seen the guys in my hometown multi-plex pull their hair out over moving prints and tight show times as well. With two on hand and fourteen screens, they barely have time to scratch before moving to the next projector. By the time they're done and come come back, anything that has gone wrong at the begining, has already had it's show wrecking effect on the audience. It's seems quite exciting and one day I'll have to try it if I don't have anything else better to do, (LOL) I have also seen through bad presentations, however, that a lot of the trouble that is had in these multi-plexes can be eliminated through after hours maintenance. ( or at least while the screen is down enough time to do what needs to be done ) Just a little attention to detail and guess what, you have a properly maintained projector. (Let's see what we've got for them Johnny !! LOL) Other than that, a little bit of time spent on correct cues and carefull threading up, ( even if the film streches across the room ) paying attetion to the job at hand virtually elliminates operator error. Example: projectionist racing to be the fastest on the screen due to not threading up on time. Starts out of frame and leaves film "walking" on the edge of and roller which scratches future showa. That's careless and wreckless that could've been avoided. Slowing it down and doing it right would'nt have made a substantial difference in time, would it? I know it would where the film is concerned.
In my neck of the woods, it's hard to see film "done right" in the indoor. And for them it's not going to change anytime soon. I'm positive that "D-cinema" won't help them, they simply need a good dose of old-fashioned "pride in the best job that you can do". Any idea who's selling that stuff nowadays? ------------------
Film-Guard directions:
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Brent
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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"
Posts: 4247
From: Bloomington, IN, USA
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 05-28-2002 09:19 AM
I used to live in Alhambra, CA and I've never seen "film done right" there...I guess things have changed...or maybe they haven't and maybe THAT'S why digital is getting such a good rap over there.I understand it's "evolved" into another version of Old Pasadena...they don't do film right there, either. I know. I worked there for a while - AMC, UA and Pacific are not interested in spending on training or paying their projection staff. The Edwards cinema there had its left-and-right speakers backwards for YEARS. I don't know if they ever switched their wiring to make 'em work right. ~Manny. ------------------
~Manny. Some people can read "War and Peace" and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story while I, on the other hand, can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.
Lex Luthor, "Superman: The Movie"
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John Pytlak
Film God
Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 05-29-2002 07:46 AM
Mark Lucas said: "That would be great except when I saw it there were no visible jaggies or other "video" artifacts."How far from the screen did you sit? Here is what Perry Sun, editor at Widescreen Review, had to say: _____________________________________________________________________
http://www.dcinemazone.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000034.html "I went to a DLP Cinema showing of "Star Wars" and my seating position relative to the screen was clearly less than optimal.
I have discovered through "experiments" I did at the Digital Cinema Lab in Hollywood that you need to be at least 1.5 screen heights away from the screen, so that the apparent pixelization artifacts resulting from the 1280 x 1024 resolution DLP imaging are fairly unnoticed...For the particular theatre I was in, I was nearly 2/3 of the way back and the pixels were very noticeable! I estimated that I was sitting at a little under 1.5 screen heights. If you go to a DLP Cinema presentation, my suggestion is to try to get a quick gauge of where the two screen height distance falls in the auditorium and sit anywhere behind that." _____________________________________________________________________ Even NTSC television looks okay if you sit far enough from the screen. 
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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Greg Mueller
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1687
From: Port Gamble, WA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 05-30-2002 09:02 AM
"Everything else was perfect."Perfect? Really! I'm frequently amazed over what people will put up with. Friends loan me VHS tapes recorded on SLP and think they are fine and they are barely watchable to me. I guess it depends on your relative standards. IMHO these digital folk are choosing not to see what they don't want to see. ------------------
Greg Mueller
Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut http://www.muellersatomics.com/
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