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Mark J. Marshall
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That's money they have from not paying me anymore after I quit.

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William T. Parr
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quote: Joe Redifer
Their ALL DIGITAL Orchard 12 or whatever it is called out her in Denver is pretty good, much better than most AMC theaters. No Torus (that I saw), surround speakers were on the wall and not the ceiling, seats were comfy and the auditorium looked very nice and was comfortable. It was like going to a non-AMC theater!! Needless to say I was very confused
Joe,

A few years back AMC realized that anything over 16 screens was killing them bottom line wise. At the same time they fired thier in house designer that pioneered the Toradial Screen System and they also started building THX certified auditoriums. So somewhere they have picked a few brain cells there only 25 plus years behind now. [uhoh]

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Joe Redifer
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Are you speaking about Larry Jacobson or whatever his name is?

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William T. Parr
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Can not recall what his name.

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Julio Roberto
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Well, this is a welcomed and significant advance for digital cinema. Between Christie, Barco and Nec they have a little over 5000 2K installations in the USA.

Depending on how fast this is done, this will put Sony only a couple hundred units behind all their competitors together. It would also probably boost a bit other sales for them and the confidence on the Sony 4K system overall.

The good news in all this is that many more studios will be inclined to release their movies in 4K from now on. Several of the new ones are being filmed/scanned at an over-2K resolutions, so this will give them the perfect "excuse" to start releasing 4K more widely, which is what DCI wanted all along anyway.

Imax installations would also benefit, as would regular 2K installations since when a film is "mastered" in 2K it usually ends up having a bit less than that actual resolution (I.e. a common 35mm scanner resolution at 2K yields 1806x976 pixels from 1.85:1 negative area, which is under the 1998 x 1080 that DCI equipment is capable for that format)

When a film is "mastered" in 4K in has the "side effect" that the "true" resolution is usually well over 2K, even if it's usually under true-4K in reality, so when it's resized to 2K there is actually (potentially) at least that much (full-2K) detail in there. The 2K's would thus, hopefully, if the don't overcompress, be used to its fullest potential.

Wish TI would put serious thought into a 4K product, but I think they just can't offer a cheap-enough solution at that res. But perhaps they could come out with a expensive projector for those that can afford it.

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Frank Angel
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After spending all that money on 4K projection, AMC marketing dept, if they knew what they were doing, should make one big bruhaha about it: AMC -- Double the picture resolution of "standard" theatres. Then they need to create a snipe which touts 4K al la what Disney does for every DVD release of their "digitally restored" classic stuff -- show the 2K resolution image on half the screen with the color saturation turned way down and the contrast decreased enough to make it look like crap, then on the other side, have what represents the 4K image all bright and crisp. Customers will eat it up.

Plus, the general public still has strong, positive brand identification, especially regarding picture quality, there is that perception that the best picture you could get in a TV set was a Sony Trinitron -- at least that would be true with the older demographic. The public as a whole doesn't know about the SDDS debacle.

It's hard to imagine that AMC would do this install without taking advantage of using it to trumptet their horn against their competitors in all their advertising, after all they do have that bigger 4K vs 2K number to exploit, regardless if 1) it doesn't actually mean double the resolution and 2) if allot of their stuff will still originate from 2K original elements. But since when do ad agencies worry about that pesky thing called truth in advertising? All I know is, if I were spending 315 million to install some equipment, I sure as hell would try to use it to my competitive advantage rather than keeping it hidden under a barrel. When and exhib spent money to get a THX certification, he sure as hell did his best to let it work for him to put more butts in his seats -- snipes, 1-sheets, gold looking placques on the walls, a huge, 4K standee in the lobby [thumbsup]

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Lyle Romer
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Actually it's 4x the resolution of other digital theaters.

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Scott Norwood
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Since no one else has mentioned this yet, I will. According to the Sony web site, their brightest 4k unit provides 11,000 lumens of light output. I've been told that 10k lumens is roughly equivalent to a 2kw xenon with 35mm (subjectively, it looks slightly brighter to me). AMC has many theatres with larger screens which are currently using 3kw and larger xenons.

This presents three possibilities which are not mutually exclusive: a) Sony has a brighter unit in the works, but which is not available yet; b) AMC will install multiple Sony units on its larger screens; and c) a significant number of AMC screens will soon be under-lit.

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Has AMC not had any digital screens so far? And if so, are they chucking those systems an reinstalling Sonys? Or will they actually not be exclusively Sony 4Ks in all theatres?

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I'd guess b or c. Most likely b. Either that or the larger screens will get digital IMAX which will be lower resolution than the smaller screens (unless they do digital IMAX with Sony 4k's like originally planned or like the Simpson's ride at Universal Studios).

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quote: Scott Norwood
This presents three possibilities which are not mutually exclusive: a) Sony has a brighter unit in the works, but which is not available yet; b) AMC will install multiple Sony units on its larger screens; and c) a significant number of AMC screens will soon be under-lit.
I'm not sure what to say ... I'm leaning towards "C".

Can I use a lifeline?

Sony's technology has serious longevity problems with really high light levels. It can do close to 15.000 lumens if done right, but really hard to go any above that without melting something in the process or increasing the cost very substantially. They also haven't quite mastered the uniformity issue.

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Steve Guttag
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Scott, you were looking at the A/V projector...their DCinema projectors go up to 18,000 lumens and use normal xenon lamps.

SRXD R220

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Lyle Romer
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quote: Frank Angel
Has AMC not had any digital screens so far? And if so, are they chucking those systems an reinstalling Sonys? Or will they actually not be exclusively Sony 4Ks in all theatres?
They definitely have some 2k 3D screens. Probably almost all of thier 35mm with 1 or 2 3D screens are done this way. All of their all digital builds so far have been 100% sony 4k as far as I know.

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Scott Norwood
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Thanks, Steve. That makes perfect sense. Still, won't AMC have screens that are too big to be properly lit with a single unit?

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Lyle Romer
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According to the Sony press release
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The new anamorphic lens, model LKRL-A001, will allow exhibitors to reach 14 foot-lamberts of brightness on screens up to 70 feet wide
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I don't know if they have screens wider than 70 feet out there (the biggest I've personally seen are around 60 feet at pleasure island 24) but if they do they'll either be underlit or need 2 projectors overlapped.

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