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Frank Angel
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Question -- will IMAX leave the 15/70 installations that are in non-theatrical venues like museums, science parks and theme parks which I assume have been the bulk of their original theatres, at least until they realized in recent years that in order to stay alive they would have to be able to present Hollywood narrative (hopefully blockbuster) films rather than just the 40 minute documentaries. Or are they pulling the plug on ALL 15/70 installations?

Seems unlikely that non-theatrical venues like museums are going to want to run commercial Hollywood movies. So will IMAX let them continue to rotate their existing 15/70 libraries (they keep these prints in-house, do they not?), until such time as the prints just become unusable? In other words are they pulling out their film projectors only the commercial theatrical movie houses and leaving the film-based systems in the non-theatrical venues that still have the prints and still could benefit from running "Classic" IMAX?

And then the obvious question follows -- what are they going to do with all the 15/70 projectors that they pull from the commercial theatre booths?

Last question: quite a number of IMAX productions in the latter years were produced or at least financed by independent production companies. Suppose an independent production company wanted to produce a new Real-IMAX film, perhaps just to show in the exisiting IMAX film venues. Is that a possibility -- new IMAX productions -- or is IMAX simply stopping all film-based operations both in production and exhibition?

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Pravin Ratnam
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
This one here is the all-time classic: He bitches about the screen size to CS, but the turd still watched the entire movie.

Nothing wrong. Aziz was merely asking for 5 bucks which is the difference in price. This is not the case of a person complaining that he disliked a movie after watching 6the entire movie and asking for a full refund. He came to watch Star Trek in IMAX. He enjoyed the movie. He is not going to waste his time walking out and looking for another IMAX theater. He spent a lot of time coming to the theater and getting ready for the movie.

And Aziz being rude is warranted. The theater manager is the liaison between the customer and upper management. The employee should have not given such a lame excuse that he watched the entire movie. if I went, i wouldnt have the time to bother to find another IMAX theater or wait to line up at the regular showing. I was promised an IMAX presentation and got cheated. I don't need to waste more time. if the customer is rude, it may suck for the employee, but it is the job of the employ to pass along that rage to the upper management and covey the heated feedback to give them a clue.

Also when theaters agree to go along with IMAX"s deceptive branding, they are partners in crime even if they legally are not doing anything wrong.

Maybe theaters should read the riot act to IMAX and work with studios and rebranding Regular old fashioned 70MM and give it their own marketing brand. But I guess its too much to see studios and theater chains trying to come up with good solutions.

Here is a link to another article on this: http://gizmodo.com/5250625/

P.S: Thanks to Bobby for pointing me to the correct thread after I posted a similar link in the LArge Format Forum.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Frank Angel
Suppose an independent production company wanted to produce a new Real-IMAX film, perhaps just to show in the exisiting IMAX film venues. Is that a possibility -- new IMAX productions -- or is IMAX simply stopping all film-based operations both in production and exhibition?
Yes, non-IMAX branded 15/70 productions and presentations are not only a possibility. They are a reality in some cases.

For example MacGillivray Freeman Films has independently produced a number of 8/70 and 15/70 projects, including Everest -which was one of the most successful 15/70 movies ever made.

Some, but not many, non-IMAX 15/70 theaters do exist. The Omniplex in Oklahoma City has a 15/70 projection system built by Iwerks.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Mark G's article in the now-closed Imax thread in the LF forum
ignored the concerns of their existing theater client
base

Gee, sounds like....well, every film company!

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Joe Redifer
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So can someone tell me what makes IMAX sound so much better than real cinema? I've been impressed by cinema sound before, but I'll be damned if I can even remember anything about the way the many IMAX movies I've seen sounded. Must not have been good enough to leave a lasting impression.

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Mark Lensenmayer
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The original IMAX systems sounded VERY good. MAN BELONGS TO THE EARTH, the first IMAX film I saw back in the very beginning at Cedar Pint, used all of the speakers very well, including an innovative score with separate percussion on each channel.

On the new systems (MPX), they seem to kick up the sub-bass and the very high end. The subs don't sound like part of the system...they seem to be separate from everything else. The increased highs give the appearance of a clearer sound.

Remember that IMAX uses large rear corner speakers instead of smaller side surrounds. I think this improves the quality.

Oh, and they seem to play things a bit on the loud side.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Mark Lensenmayer
Remember that IMAX uses large rear corner speakers instead of smaller side surrounds.
So did AMC's SHITS sound system, but that didn't make that sound acceptable by any means. [Razz]

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Joe Redifer
So can someone tell me what makes IMAX sound so much better than real cinema?
They do a pre-show announce thing about the sound system, rumble the bass and throw on some lights behind the screen so you can see the super-sized speaker enclosures (which look surprisingly similar to the sort of contraptions one can find in some gang-banger's hoopty mobile).

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Mark Strube
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quote: Joe Redifer
So can someone tell me what makes IMAX sound so much better than real cinema? I've been impressed by cinema sound before, but I'll be damned if I can even remember anything about the way the many IMAX movies I've seen sounded. Must not have been good enough to leave a lasting impression.
I've never been all that impressed by IMAX sound. I've been to both the MPX systems and the full-size dome systems running educational stuff. IMAX advertises as handling up to 15,000 watts of sound, according to the film snipe they run before everything that's supposed to impress the masses. The "UltraScreens" at my location can handle up to 24,000 watts, and you can feel the hairs on your head moving when the right explosion hits in a film. We don't need to advertise our wattage, you can feel it. IMAX sound isn't all it's cracked up to be IMO. [thumbsdown]

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Does anyone recall the details of The Rolling Stones At the Max
when the Stones themselves were unhappy with the IMAX sound system?

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Louis Bornwasser
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I saw the Stones in the Munich IMAX (the Euro premiere.). Much higher power than regular IMAX and all JBL speakers to boot! Much louder & cleaner than other IMAX that I've heard. Louis

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Geoff Jones
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People are catching wise to IMAX MPX/ Digital...

But only 2% of people, according to IMAX CEO Rich Gelfond.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118004103.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&nid=2562

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Imax's slogan used to be "Think big," but now some of its customers complain they're being told to read the fine print.
The largescreen cinema exhib, which is usually busy reporting increasingly higher percentages of theatrical gross coming from Imax screens, finds itself doing damage control following a rare moviegoers' revolt.

In the midst of an expansion that has made Imax an important premium venue -- in the first two weeks of "Star Trek," it claimed more than $22 million in gross on less than 2% of screens -- the company that built its reputation as the ultimate way to see a movie is being accused of failing to deliver on its own promises.

The Toronto-based company was called out first by no less than Roger Ebert and then by bloggers for compromising quality in its expansion. Actor-comedian Aziz Ansari ranted about the topic; LF Examiner, an online trade publication for the large-format exhibition industry, accused Imax flat-out of lying. A website, Liemax.com, has sprung up to identify which screens are "real Imax" and which are "fake Imax."

Suddenly the company is having to justify the $5 premium on Imax tickets to customers who see the new smaller screens and say, "That's not Imax."

That has created a PR headache for Imax execs, who were caught offguard by the issue. Imax CEO Rich Gelfond says their advance market research said only 2% of customers felt the new Imax screens weren't a comparable experience to the old.

"To some degree this is a product of our success," Gelfond tells Variety, "because as we attract more customers that other 2% is more and more people.

"We are going to do something (about the complaints). We hear the people."

But as yet he isn't sure what. He says they're not yet sure what portion of their customers are actually unhappy. They're planning a further customer survey and will decide what to do after they see the results.

In the meantime, the issue isn't likely to go away on its own.

Imax plans to expand to 400 U.S. screens by 2010, mostly by moving into preexisting multiplexes. But unlike the giant screens seen in museums and specially built commercial venues such as Universal Citywalk, the newer installations use a 1.9:1 aspect ratio instead of the 1.43:1 aspect ratio of the old Imax screens and a pair of 2K digital projectors instead of a super-high-resolution 15/70 film print, which brings the cost of Imax within reach of many more theaters.

The dispute largely comes down to different definitions of Imax. The company defines its experience with theater geometry, picture brightness, sound quality and other technical arcana, which together are an upgrade over normal theaters. The unhappy fans want large-format film projected on very tall screens -- they're still thinking big.

The Australian Imax licensee, which operates only giant screens, has complained that the company was advertising the new multiplex screens also with the Imax name, and now worries about a threatened customer boycott.

"Why are they selling it as a giant screen when it's not?" asked Mark Bretherton, CEO of Imax Sydney.

Don't look for Imax to back down on its expansion, though -- it's too important to the future of the company. If limited to the 75-foot-tall special venue screens of the past, they argue, they'd be back in the "bears, whales and seals" pic business, where the company began.

Maybe they can take a cue from Coca-Cola, and dub the old screens Imax Classic. That is, if anyone would buy New Imax.



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Ron Lacheur
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Most of you are referring to MPX and less than perfect sound quality.

I think that says it all right there. Although the local IMAX here in town ( CN IMAX ) has one of the best sound systems in the city, beats most or all 35 houses in town.

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quote: Joe Redifer
So can someone tell me what makes IMAX sound so much better than real cinema?
In the Australian film based IMAX theaters it would be the acoustic treatments of the room, very close to dead, that sets it above the typical cinema.

Here in Sydney the speakers being 3 way active (sonics) and mounted in wide strong baffles, 8 x 18" sub woofers in push pull configeration and non compressed digital sound also help.

Personally I prefered the sound from the old 35mm mag back up thats probably long since gone (thats probably just me).

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quote: Geoff Jones
But only 2% of people, according to IMAX CEO Rich Gelfond
Which translates to 98% percent of the public either doesn't know any better or they're just idiots.

What percentage of the American populace can change the oil on their own automobiles? Or do any serious repairs? I would be surprised if the number was any higher than mere tenths of a single percentile.

The "2%" of the public flaming the new, fake IMAX are often people who are at least familiar with the differences between the digital and film technology. Their point of view will be listened to by at least a decent number of that other 98% -especially when a $5 surcharge is being asked for the fake IMAX 2K digital projection.

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