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Jonathan Smith
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quote:
That is akin to projecting the timing leader on film to the audience!!
What's the matter with that? [Wink]

While I never let the audience see a foot of head leader, I will occasionally let the film "roll out" at the end. More often then not it produces an interesting conversation through the port glass.

One guy I met used to be a projectionist himself, and said he was glad to know that all the chains weren't still using timers and trained booth monkeys, or worse, managers.

Of course, he was shocked to learn how little I made. Adjusted for inflation, projectionists make half of what they made 20 years ago,and that is *in* the Union.

Granted, we don't have carbon arcs to deal with anymore, but there is a plethora of other bullshit that you have to be in the know about, malfunctioning digital preview projectors, over a dozen screens per person at some theatres, and of course all of the "Big Three" theatres don't give a fuck about fixing any film equipment anymore, so it's a constant battle to keep it from having to be refurbished. . . a second time around.

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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quote:
What's the matter with that? [Wink]

While I never let the audience see a foot of head leader, I will occasionally let the film "roll out" at the end. More often then not it produces an interesting conversation through the port glass.

I hope, but seriously doubt, that you are joking.

A true projectionist is a master of illusion, the whole point being for the audience to NOT be aware in ANY way of the technical details of the presentation. That means that the show starts on time, (WITHOUT showing the timing leader), in frame, in focus, at the appropriate volume level, and that the END of the show is a smooth transition from the on-screen image to non-sync, closing curtains (remember those?) and SLOWLY raising house lighting.

It is attitudes like the one you just expressed which has discredited a lot of projectionists and has accelerated the demise of the Unions as they allowed any hack with a pulse to sign on to keep membership up. One of the few smart things management ever did was throw out the Unions when they could no longer provide COMPETENT, PROFESSIONAL projectionists.

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Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
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If I go to see a film in IMAX Digital do I still see something that has been remastered for a 15/70 blow up? IMAX shouldn't have kept the same brand for the digital installs but I trust them to do a large multiplex screen more than a chain which will want to cut costs.

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David Stambaugh
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Even in modern multiplexes with all their automation it's satisfying (to me) to watch a show from the start of the digital preshow to the end of the movie's credits in which everything is "right" and smooth and it's obvious someone with at least some presentation skill paid attention to the details.

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Jonathan Smith
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Tony, I find it very offensive what you said in your last post.

If you want to personally attack me or the IATSE Projectionist Unions, at least don't be passive-aggressive about it.

I've sent you an e-mail. I'm not going to get into a flame war with you for all to see.

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Brad Miller
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Guys, have a lollipop or something. In EVERY situation, whether it be union or not, there are exceptional people and there are awful people. There is no such thing as "unions are wonderful" across the board, just like there is no such thing as "unions are awful" across the board. It depended on the personnel at a given location.

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Scott Jentsch
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quote: Jonathan Goeldner
the manager I spoke with stated the XD screen (at the Egyptian) was 2K - I did my slightly confused face and stated: "really?" He knew it was a Barco projector.
All the XD press releases that I can recall have mentioned that they are using Barco projectors; no Sony 4K's anywhere.

Marcus ran some 4K's for a while in their UltraScreens, but they were taken out. Don't know the exact reason, but they didn't pass muster.

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Jonathan Althaus
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XD will be Barco only. Cinemark signed a major deal last year with Barco and Doremi. All Cinemark digital equipment will be with those companies.

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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quote: Jonathan Smith
Tony, I find it very offensive what you said in your last post.

If you want to personally attack me or the IATSE Projectionist Unions, at least don't be passive-aggressive about it.

I have only one thing to say to you sir, which is read the
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I do not care if you don't like me or what I say here, especially when I am stating the facts as they exist here in Los Angeles. If you read that as a personal attack, so be it. It was not intended as such.

On topic, I generally commend Regal Cinemas as the vast majority of them I have screened films at do a great job on presentation (other than too many trailers but that's a universal thing these days.)

It remains to be seen if the public will actually pony up the extra money for the "premium" experience. As long as the individual locations deliver the goods in a consistent manner, it seems to be a step in the right direction.

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Jack Ondracek
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Guess I'm with Tony on this, though I hope not to be flamed for the opinion.

When I was a union projectionist, my goal was to make 6 reels look like one, and to prevent anything from attracting attention toward the booth... and to repeat that 3 to 5 times a day.

Now that everything's automated, my philosophy toward the booth is the same as what I've applied to the broadcast automation I program... that the automation should emulate ME. If it can do that, then it should add a level of consistency that would be difficult for any but the most attentive (anal) projectionist. And... after the initial programming is figured out, changing shows shouldn't be that difficult.

That said, I would never allow something that wasn't intended as part of the show to hit the screen (or sound)... especially heads or tails leader. For my part, I can't see why anyone would force attention toward the port glass... unless he was lonely or something. [Confused]

It's nice that people remember 35mm. If someone figures that out at my place, they're likely as not to get a "cook's tour" offered them. As it is, I'm amazed how many people think I've got a glorified DVD player upstairs.

So what? If it projects the intended presentation quality and the customer feels they got their money's worth, who cares what they think put the show on the screen... or how?

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Michael Voiland
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Automation is only as good as its maintained. Examples of poor planing. are multiple types of cues and automation systems in the same complex, bad planning and just poor forethought and used equipment plus hours being cut down.

We are lucky to have a day that runs smoothly.

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Jesse Skeen
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The first thing that comes to mind when I hear "Regal Premium Experience" is commercials on a HUGE screen followed by a scratched-to-hell (or whatever the digital equivalent of that is) movie, accompanied by slices of frozen cheese pizza sold for $10 each.

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Lyle Romer
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quote: Julio Roberto
To make matters slighty worse, IF it were 4K, the only 4K DCI available today, that is the Sony SRXD Lcos projectors, when you make it 3D, it of course only offers 2K image(s).

Except that 2K is, by DCI own specs, 1998x1080 when projecting 1.85 content.

Well, the optics in the 3D waste a line 80 pixels tall in the middle of the chip, so each (eyes') 3D image is only a (non-DCI compliant, mind you) 1980x1040.

Don't know if the content is just cropped or (worse?) re-scaled.

Does the Sony 3D solution use the whole width of the chip and do an anamporphic squeeze or do they just use a small rectangle for each eye that leaves 1/2 the horizontal pixels unused.

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Kyle Butler
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quote: Lyle Romer
Does the Sony 3D solution use the whole width of the chip and do an anamporphic squeeze or do they just use a small rectangle for each eye that leaves 1/2 the horizontal pixels unused.
It wastes half of the resolution.
Sony has a little bit of information about it in their online demo.

I was going to include a picture, but i realized FT doesn't allow outside servers to host the pic.
And im too lazy to upload it to ft.
[Big Grin]

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Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
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I went to a demo of that projection system and the Sony guy presenting was incredibly good at ignoring the fact it's two 2K images projected rather than 4K. Best way to describe it is to imagine a the 4k chip as a window with two panes that are 1.85 ratio say, with thicker than average frames. I still felt the feature presentation of HTTYD was very good though, and their selling point about the system being easier on the eye than triple flash 3D was valid.

Does anyone have an answer for my earlier question? I need to see IMAX digital for myself and am considering watching Iron Man 2 in the format but it involves going to one of our locations across town which is easily an hour journey each way, am I getting something that has been remastered to look decent on 15/70 IMAX screens?

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