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Author Topic: I want to UN-3D the movie. Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-29-2011 09:00 PM                        quote: Brad Miller If the studios permitted what you are proposing, then why even bother with DCI standards? Because 99% or more of the people would still be watching 3-D of course. The 2-D glasses might bring in some people who might skip the movie otherwise. It would just be an accommodation. Nobody is suggesting it's an "ideal" solution. Just a compromise for those people who can't tolerate or don't like 3-D.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-29-2011 09:04 PM                     If theaters must provide special ramps and handicapped spaces for customers in wheelchairs and special hearing impaired systems for the hard of hearing...there should be 2D versions mandated for people who get headaches from 3D. ...and not at crappy showtimes either.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-29-2011 09:09 PM                        Well actually I would agree with that! I would prefer to offer some "good" showtimes for the 2D crowd. Of course the studios would never bother with thinking about that because single screens don't exist to them (unless we owe them money).  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-30-2011 01:04 AM                     By the way, my wife picked the movie. It was "Three Musketeers." It was the early bird show at the dollar theater. Tickets were only three bucks, including the glasses. So, the upcharge for 3D was moot. It's probably the only way I'd ever watch a 3D movie anyway. As a sidebar... There was an older lady, sitting at the back of the theater, who had a stroke during the movie. The woman's husband started calling her name in the middle of the movie. At first I thought he was just being an asshole but, after a minute, I knew there was something wrong. I went back and looked at the woman. She was sitting there, frozen. She looked all glassy-eyed and one side of her face was slack. When I asked the guy if he knew his wife was having some kind of seizure or something, he said this never happened before. I just said, "She's having a stroke. Call an ambulance RIGHT NOW!" I went out to the lobby to find help but the usher just stood there with a stupid look on his face. I finally found the assistant manager who called the medics. About a minute later, the woman came to again. She was trying to convince her husband that she was all right. I told them, "No! If she has another one, she might not wake up again!" About five minutes later, the paramedics came and took her to the hospital. On the way out, I was joking to my wife that the 3D movie probably caused that woman to have a stroke. I was only half serious but, as my headache was subsiding, I gave that a second thought. Maybe the 3D movie did cause her to have a stroke!  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-30-2011 01:14 AM                     Definitely the movie's fault! read me  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 11-30-2011 01:53 AM                        The thing with Breaking Dawn causing seizures may be legitimate. I have had to call paramedics twice since Breaking Dawn opened for people experiencing seizure like symptoms. In both cases, they walked out of the movies with about 15-20 minutes left. This is anecdotal and it may just be coincidence, but it suggests there might actually be something to it.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-30-2011 03:21 AM                     That story in the Sacramento article reminds me of the 1971 film, "Andromeda Strain" - the one doctor saw a flashing red light in the hallway, collapsed to the floor and went into horrible convulsions (course, it was all part of the script), but have heard of these 'strobing lights' can set off a seizure.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-30-2011 08:06 AM                     I was there, several years ago, when kid had a seizure while playing a video game at Tinseltown. It was the flashing screen that caused it. He said it had happened before.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-30-2011 09:04 AM                     quote: Mike Blakesley Why don't they come out with "clip-on" 3-D glasses for those people who wear regular glasses? Would make 3-D a lot more comfortable for those people. I'm hoping for Dolby 3-D contacts! quote: Randy Stankey I was there, several years ago, when kid had a seizure while playing a video game at Tinseltown. It was the flashing screen that caused it. He said it had happened before. A neighbor of mine also suffers from this and she always had seizures when she was on the internet or computer. I discovered that her CRT computer monitor was set to 60hz scan frequency and that caused the seizures. I upped it to 90 hz and she hasn't had a seizure in many years. Yes, she is epileptic and I bet that Tinseltown kid is too... Mark  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 11-30-2011 09:35 AM                        The frequency of strobe lights (used in firealarms) is PERFECT for causing epileptic seizures. Louis  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-30-2011 11:00 AM                     Well, at least the paramedics will already be on the way.  |  IP: Logged Paul Mayer Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under! Posts: 3836 From: Albuquerque, NM Registered: Feb 2000 posted 11-30-2011 12:45 PM                        Instances of Photosensitive Epilepsy have occurred in propeller aircraft and helicopters when the shadows of the rotating blades in bright sunlight set up a flash rate that triggers seizures in some people. And then there was the infamous Pokemon incident that occurred in Japan on 16 December 1997 during the airing of episode 38 of the first season (Electric Soldier Porygon). Apparently, a 6-second shot near the end of the episode, consisting of alternating full frames of bright red and blue at a 12Hz rate, caused seizure symptoms in some 685 children across the country. Kinda sorta back on topic, the linked article states that 3D movies in cinemas are an unlikely trigger for photosensitive epileptic reactions, due to the low light levels involved, though the woman in Randy's case may have been an exception.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-30-2011 01:07 PM                     I didn't even know the woman but it was scary to see her just sitting there, virtually catatonic, with her eyes glassed over and her face gone slack. I can only imagine how her husband must have felt. I don't know that it was a stroke but her symptoms certainly seemed like it. It could have been an epileptic seizure or it could have been something else but, given the circumstance, it's better to be safe than sorry and treat it like it was a stroke unless and until we have more information. Like I said, if it was a T.I.A. or a stroke, this was just a warning shot. T.I.A.s can double up and turn into strokes without warning. If that happens it is quite possible that she'll never wake up again. Even if it's not a friend or family member, it just makes me sick to my stomach to even think that. The paramedics took her away just a few minutes later so I don't know what happened to her. I sincerely hope she's all right. This whole episode really gets me thinking. Maybe the 3D movie didn't cause her seizure/stroke but the circumstances just seemed like a weird coincidence. Watching the movie gave me a splitting headache. Thus the reason for wanting to make Un-3D glasses. Right now, I'm just wondering whether Un-3D glasses might have actually helped this woman avoid a stroke/seizure or, at least, lessened the problem. The viewer's eyes and brain probably have to do twice the amount of work to in order to focus and process the synthetic 3D images seen in the movie. I wonder whether that workload is too much for some people, especially the elderly or people with predisposition to seizures and strokes. I'm wondering whether this effect operates over and above the neurological processes or malfunctions that that cause flicker epilepsy. The problem is that we just don't know what's happening. The general public hasn't been exposed to 3D imagery enough for the medical community to gather enough data. Even if they could, I don't know if there are enough people who are affected for them to bother doing the research. I bet, if the 3D fad continues, there will be more people who have this problem. As such, I am beginning to think that exhibitors of 3D movies should have Un-3D glasses available for people who need them so that they can watch movies along side their friends and family without having strokes, seizures or getting migraine headaches.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-30-2011 01:08 PM                        This new direction of the topic reminded me of something that happened when I was a kid. My family had gone to a drive-in with another family. The movie was Disney's "Million Dollar Duck." At some particularly funny point in the movie, the other family's dad started laughing uncontrollably and wound up losing his breath. It was as if the wind had been knocked out of him. He hadn't been eating or drinking anything at the moment so he wasn't choking, but he just couldn't breathe. For about a minute we all thought he was having a heart attack or something. But then he eventually caught his breath and was OK. To this day I don't know WHAT happened to him. So I guess a movie can be TOO funny.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-01-2011 07:27 AM                     Up here any venue that uses strobe lights is required to post a warning that the performance will contain the use of strobe lights  |  IP: Logged

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