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Author Topic: I want to UN-3D the movie. Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-03-2011 03:00 PM                     The illogical thing I'm seeing here is the waste of money for the upcharge that the patron is paying for if one wants to "un-3D" the movie while watching it. Best catch it in 2D, if possible, so fundage isn't wasted.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-03-2011 09:00 PM                        I can think of a couple of ways around that problem. - Sell the un-3D customer a non-3D ticket. - Charge the 3D price, but give the un-3D customer a "credit slip" to use in the concession stand.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-03-2011 10:45 PM                     Frank, the idea that a movie could cause a stroke or seizure was supposition. I, nor anybody else, knows for sure. I am making conjecture based on that supposition. IF there is a problem, theaters could solve it by providing Un-3D glasses to customers who request them. Again, you're saying that people who don't like 3D or people who can't watch it because of some (cojnectured) problem just shouldn't watch 3D movies. That is right [u]to a point.[/u] In some cases, the movie isn't presented in 2D. At the theater I went to, that was the only version of the movie available because it's only a 6-screener. In many cases, people who want to watch a movie with friends or family end up being the odd one out because of their inability to watch the movie in 3D. Their friends and family have to pick another movie that isn't their first choice or else the odd person just can't go. If you have a dietary restriction like diabetes, hypoglycemia, lactose intolerance or whatever, you know what it's like not to be able to share a meal with family and friends. This is just another exclusion. It just sucks to be left out of things all the time. And, YES! 3D movies DO give me a splitting headache. If I cover one eye with my hand or close one eye, the headache starts to go away in only a minute or two. If I take off the glasses and just watch a blurry movie, the headache starts to go away, as well. If I put the glasses back on or uncover/open my eye, the headache starts coming back again. I did this about a half dozen times during the movie. It sucks when you have to fidget just to watch a movie. Next time I go to the movies, I will either bring my home made Un-3D glasses or else I just won't watch it. I'd rather wait until the movie comes out on DVD. I say that and I WORK in the movies! This is the shit that is killing movie theaters. Theaters just aren't providing product that people want to watch, the way they want to watch it. Having Un-3D glasses is a very simple way to provide a service to people who will potentially pay to watch a movie before it comes out at the video store.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 12-03-2011 10:58 PM                        quote: - Sell the un-3D customer a non-3D ticket. - Charge the 3D price, but give the un-3D customer a "credit slip" to use in the concession stand. Although I can see wanting to be nice about this, I'm afraid it would open a whole can of worms. First of all, who is providing the "un-3D" glasses? If the customer is providing the glasses, then other customers could reasonably argue they should get a discount or credit if they provide their own glasses. If we are providing the glasses, then who pays for the expense of the glasses? And if we're willing to give the customer a discount or credit for not seeing 3D by wearing the "un-3D" glasses, do we take the step of actually checking the glasses to be sure they do what the customer claims, or do we take them on their word.  |  IP: Logged Frank Cox Film God Posts: 2234 From: Melville Saskatchewan Canada Registered: Apr 2011 posted 12-03-2011 11:51 PM                        If you want to see this movie, the ticket price is $x. End of story, problem solved. Nobody expects a reduced ticket price if they are deaf in one ear -- why is this different?  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-04-2011 12:52 AM                     Burger King doesn't charge you any less if you order a burger without pickles and lettuce. Why would a theater charge any less if you ordered a movie without the 3D? Regardless of whether it is 3D or Un-3D, the theater still has to provide the glasses. Those are not without cost.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-04-2011 12:27 PM                        Thing is, you would probably only have a few "un-3D" customers so it wouldn't be a big deal to give them a break. On the other hand, Randy has a point. Either way, it's very bad practice to let people think that the higher 3D ticket price is "for the glasses." Anytime somebody makes a comment to that effect we always tell them "it's not just for the glasses, it's for the $25,000 worth of equipment that makes the glasses work."  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-04-2011 07:49 PM                     ...or the fee that Real-D is charging...  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 12-04-2011 08:02 PM                     ...or just pure greed.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-04-2011 08:33 PM                        Jesse wins! Randy, I wasn't taking issue with using Un-3D glasses, in fact, I think it a very good idea in a plex where they are not offering the 2D version, to offer such an aid, although it certainly is a poor solution give how dull it makes the movie look even in 2D. My only minor quibble with your post was that we should post warnings that 3D films are dangerous. It's bad enough 3D is presented at half the brightness of regular movies (you almost have to wonder if that might be equally detrimental to some people's eye physiology), but to then have the poor moviegoer, after he's paid his extra $3, worry that he might have a stroke for his efforts, is taking it way past the reasonable, IMHO. We will wind up like the TV ads for perscription drugs telling people the great things the drug does, such as clearing up rosatia (redness on one's face), then telling them that it's known to cause a rare condition that can lead to paralysis or death and in some cases, suicide.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-05-2011 09:20 PM                     Summit started with warnings that are posted on the auditorium doors on flashing scenes in "Breaking Dawn" that could trigger seizures.. Thus, it might have already started with warnings which could drift over to 3D movies on warnings of potiental health hazards to patrons viewing the 3D effect in these movies Gee, suddenly plain, good-ol' fashioned 2D movies can now be classified as, 'safe to view' ..  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 12-05-2011 10:21 PM                        Monte, the difference is the issue with Breaking Dawn is linked to a known health issue. To the best of my knowledge, there is no definitive medical study linking 3D to any specific health issues. Issues with headaches could just as easily be caused by the pressure of the glasses on one's temples or nose, as eye strain. It could also have to do with specific types of effects rather than 3D as a whole - in fact, I have heard that issues of nausea are usually related to objects coming out from the screen. Until there is an established medical reason which suggests movie theatres should warn patrons, I do see where it is our business. People don't need to be warned that driving on curvy roads or riding roller coasters might make them sick to their stomach. I don't see 3D as being any different until medical professionals can find a legitimate health risk.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 12-05-2011 11:47 PM                     The vast majority of roller coasters have had medical warnings on them as a way to release from liability for many years now.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 12-06-2011 12:10 AM                        Chris, you're right, I had forgotten about those warnings. If memory serves, those usually relate to pregnant women, people with heart conditions, or other specific medical conditions which might be affected by the ride. The point I'm making is that it's not our duty to warn people that something might make them uncomfortable unless there is a link to a known medical issue. Do we start warning people their butt might feel sore after sitting for 2 hours or that drinking a 44oz soda may result in the urge to urinate?  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-06-2011 12:54 AM                     I don't expect theaters to post big warning signs or anything like that. I definitely don't think it should be legally mandatory. As I said, a theater that wants to make money will take care of its customers. Any theater that really does want to take care of its customers should figure out a way to handle this. When enough theaters decide on a good solution that works it will probably become a standard. I don't really know how theaters should handle this (potential) problem. What if they put them on the wrappers that the glasses come in? As to the copy, I don't know either. What about, "If you experience headaches, discomfort or aggravation of medical problems please contact a theater employee immediately." I'm just guessing. I don't know for sure...  |  IP: Logged

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