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Randy Stankey
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I don't even know why that should be a requirement. It just makes common sense. Theaters should just do it. If they don't they are basically laying a trap for a small percentage of their customers.

Look at it from the practical side. As the operator of a theater, I wouldn't want people having seizures or passing out in the middle of a show. It's bad showmanship and it's bad for business. Any good businessman should post warnings when he uses strobes, fog effects or other things that might make the audience have difficulty. (Unless it's only for a short duration or a small amount of smoke or fog.)

Thankfully, these things don't happen every day but they happen often enough that almost all of us know that they can happen and several of us have witnessed it happening. We are all, essentially, on notice that it can happen at any time.

Same goes for Un-3D glasses. Do I think that theaters that show 3D movies should be required to have them? No, but any theater worth its salt should know that some people don't like computer generated 3D movies or are negatively effected in some way.

It only makes sense that they would want to serve their customers as well as they can.

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Ron Funderburg
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On the breaking dawn of folks having issues yup we had it. Came out to go the bathroom he was glassy eyed and fainted while washing his hands. We got him in the lobby and called EMT's he was non responsive for sometime then seemed to come out of it.

Took him to the Emergency room but he was fully recovered before he got there.

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Matthew Black
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Indeed we to had an issue with the midnight Breaking Dawn. A girl maybe in her 20s started to have siezures near the end of the movie. Her family who was with her claimed she had never had any before.

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Frank Angel
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Wow, Randy, that certainly is jumping to an unproven conclusion. The strobing in the TWILIGHT movie was the specific red flashing that caused the problem, not the 3D technology. ALL movies "strobe," be they 3D or 2D. Frame rate in 3D digital is MUCH faster and if anything, it should be less problematic than even regular 2D movies. 24fps certainly is a strobe. 30fps or 60fps for video or higher rates for computer monitors are pure strobes too, so is all DCinema. Should we post warning signs on every TV and monitor that there is some vague possibility they may cause fits in a very VERY small percentage of the population -- something which hasn't at all been studied or proven?

And Randy, there is no cause and effect showing that you got a headache BECAUSE of the 3D -- it is quite plausable that you just got a headache and would have gotten one no matter what you were doing. Why not attribute it to anything else in the theatre -- the cleaning solutions they used in the rugs, or anything else you encountered in the environment that day. If I attributed my headaches to whatever activity I am doing at the onset of one of one of my migraines, I would wind up thinking EVERYTHING causes headaches. If you got headaches CONSISTANTLY from 3D movies, then you may be on to something and then it would be YOUR responsibility to avoid going to them, but you got a headache in just THAT one and you jump to such a radical conclusion?

quote: Randy Stankey
Thankfully, these things don't happen every day but they happen often enough that almost all of us know that they can happen and several of us have witnessed it happening. We are all, essentially, on notice that it can happen at any time.
Thankfully they don't. And when you say, "often enough," what does that mean? Across the country people are going into catatonic fits from watching 3D movies? Thing is, there will always be a percentage of people getting sick in theatres if you actually tabulated data from every theatre in the country. People get sick randomly anywhere and so there will be people getting sick in theatres. You are making a wild leap attributing that to motion picture technology in general and 3D in particular with no actual evidence of any cause and effect. You say "we are all on notice that (people can get sick] at any time" -- yes, and so....? You are saying what, exactly? Everyone going into a theatre is at risk of stroke, epilepsy, heart attack BECAUSE of the 3D? And they it can be fatal, right? That movies and 3D movies are a national health risk and need to be warned? Really?

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Mike Blakesley
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Also (and Frank touched on this) who's to say that whatever happened might not have happened anyway? We had a guy collapse in the theatre a few years ago but nobody blamed the movie. We've never had anyone get sick from any movie that I know of, not even the Blair Witch puke-fest.

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Frank Cox
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I've had people vomit on the auditorium floor once in a while. The last time was during the dress shop bathroom scene in Bridesmaids; the time before that was during the flying outhouse scene in the last Jackass movie. No doubt that those were caused by the movie.

I've only had one person collapse in the theatre so far, and that was several years ago -- an old guy came out after the show and said that he couldn't rouse his wife. I called the ambulance to take her away and never heard anything more about how that turned out.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Randy Stankey
I bet, if the 3D fad continues, there will be more people who have this problem.

...like potiental lawsuits.. Bet sometime there will be posted a warning on this potiental hazard of watching 3D movies..

Film images actually strobes at 48 pulses due to the double swing of the shutter blade per frame.

Actually seeing 24 pulses would drive anybody crazy.

-Monte

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Frank Cox
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I am playing Twilight starting tomorrow and just received an "official statement" from eOne Films and Summit Entertainment that I am supposed to post at my box office.

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It has come to our attention that about 90 minutes into “The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn – Part 1” there is a scene containing flashing lights that may cause seizures in people who are susceptible to photosensitive epilepsy.

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Mike Blakesley
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Maybe you could blow that sign up to poster size and put "DANGER!" in great big red letters across the top. Then stand back and watch the curious kids stream in to buy tickets.

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Edward Havens
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Want to UN-3D a movie? See it in 2D. Problem solved.

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Chris Slycord
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^^^
I think you'll find the discussion is about theaters that for whatever reason don't have a chance to run the movie in 2D but still want to get the sales from people who don't do well with 3D...

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Brad Miller
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quote: Mike Blakesley
We've never had anyone get sick from any movie that I know of, not even the Blair Witch puke-fest.
Boy we sure did! I was working at a theater with 80 foot wide screens and 3 way masking. The 1.33 within 1.85 was awful and when we screened it we KNEW people would be complaining, because they wanted those "giant screens". So I took a very short lens, cut a custom aperture plate, re-aligned the lamp and such and blew that sucker up. Amazingly I had enough height! It was literally IMAX, and of course it was blurry and grainy, but so was the movie. People LOVED it and kept talking about how wonderful it was. We did insane sell-out business for weeks on that giant screen. The normal screen did no business at all.

And never had there been so much vomit! [Razz]

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It has come to our attention that about 90 minutes into “The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn – Part 1” there is a scene containing flashing lights that may cause seizures in people who are susceptible to photosensitive epilepsy.
They should make a DCP of that to add to the playlist. Either that or Joe could make one like this:

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It has come to our attention that “The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn – Part 1” is such a piece of crap movie that it may cause seizures in people who are susceptible to bad movies.

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Edward Havens
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quote: Chris Slycord
I think you'll find the discussion is about theaters that for whatever reason don't have a chance to run the movie in 2D but still want to get the sales from people who don't do well with 3D
I know exactly what the conversation is about, Chris. And I think you'll find theatre operators got smart and are making sure their customers have that option. The last movie I've shown only in 3D was Gulliver's Travels a year ago next week. We even showed The Lion King and Justin Bieber in 2D. Most if not all theatres in the Bay Area do the same thing, even with something like Cave of Forgotten Dreams. And if Randy's preferred theatre doesn't offer this choice, maybe he should take his business to another theatre that does.

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Mike Blakesley
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But Edward. The whole idea is for the 2-D fan to be able to watch a 3-D show in 2-D while sitting with his 3-D-loving friends and/or family. THAT'S what the discussion is about.

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Edward Havens
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All I am saying is that an individual can be proactive in the decisions of their own lives.

My wife hates 3D with a passion, and I accept that. I don't force her to see a movie in 3D against her will. If she wants to see Hugo, we'll see it in 2D. But even with her hatred of 3D, my wife still wanted to see Cave of Forgotten Dreams in 3D, and we had as close a spiritual moment as two apathetic agnostics can have while watching it.

Theatres more and more are understanding that not everyone wants to see a movie available in 3D in 3D. They are more and more giving these titles at least a split screen in their locations. So if there is a movie Randy and his wife want to see, maybe she can be more understanding and not force him to see things that give him a nasty headache, and maybe he can try to tolerate the occasional movie like Avatar that demands to be seen in 3D.

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