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Author Topic: SAMSARA not in 70mm - only 4K digital Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 01-29-2012 04:06 PM                     quote: Bobby Henderson When they did the 8K digital intermediate of Baraka they created an archival 70mm print from it. Thanks for that information Bobby as I hadn't known that. I thought they'd just made a new Answer Print and new IP directly from the OCN at the time, prior to the DI work: Article on "Baraka" restoration - in.70mm.com  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 01-29-2012 05:10 PM                     quote: Brad Miller You sure about that? What is your source? That is not what I was told by one of the guys involved. IIRC, that's what they said on one of the extras on the Baraka Blu-ray disc. quote: Steve Guttag The AP20 does not handle DTS/Datasat tracks directly...it is strictly a DSP based cinema processor. It would team with an XD20 for handing film digital. And with that any 70mm prints could have up to 16-channels of sound if one desired. I got confused between the AP20 and XD20. But can't the XD20 handle other audio formats besides the original, lossy DTS format? quote: Steve Guttag It would be a shame for a movie to be shot in 65mm and not released in 70mm. The film out should not go through a 4K DI though as it will not let the 70mm print show all of the detail in the negative. I thought Samsara had a 8K scan and DI treatment. Regardless, digital projection tops out at 4K.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 01-29-2012 05:55 PM                     I believe the XD10 and 20 can do lossless audio but I won't swear to that. Honestly, that shouldn't be the reason to deny the 70mm release...I guarantee that it will not affect one ticket sale. 70mm will draw people from 100s of miles...lossless digital audio wont draw people 5 blocks.  |  IP: Logged Daniel Schulz Master Film Handler Posts: 387 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 01-30-2012 02:35 AM                        Nope, the XD10 and XD20 decode the same APTX lossy format that's been in use by DTS and Datasat from the very beginning. There was an unreleased XD10 software version for lossless playback, but it only worked in a continuous timecode setup, not locked to standard Datasat printed timecode. That was more of an engineering proof of concept than a commercial project.  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Goeldner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1360 From: Washington, District of Columbia Registered: Jun 2008 posted 02-01-2012 11:12 AM                     isn't the 8K digital intermediate also pretty much the same in terms of it's transfer for bluray? the bluray states: "First of it's kind 8K scan from fully restored 70mm film" it'd seem rather pointless to do a 8K scan then downrez it to bluray specs and not retain the original transfer resolution ... I'm just saying. [thread digression: I'm not getting how 65mm is pretty well replicable and archived in high resolution in digital form, but when it comes to 70mm sound, five front channel sound is not a high priority in retaining] I'm really really hoping that the programmers for this year's DC Environmental Film Festival can secure a screening of this in March - my fingers are crossed. @ Steve Guttag: what's the projector's over at the AFI Silver? - I'm assuming the DLP units are 2K - any incentive to upgrade to 4K DLP?  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-01-2012 11:25 AM                     It was my understanding they scanned it in at 8K, but the post process (cleaning up marks on the negative) was all done at 2K due to cost.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-01-2012 11:50 AM                     At present, the AFI/Silver projectors are 1.3K Barco DP50. The plan before the year is out to have 4K DLPs in place though.  |  IP: Logged Phil Ranucci Expert Film Handler Posts: 236 From: Carpinteria,CA, United States Registered: May 2006 posted 02-02-2012 03:39 AM                     Screened tonight in Santa Barbara on our Barco 4K. Looked amazing.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-02-2012 06:50 AM                     Whos player/IMB? Doremi?  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Goeldner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1360 From: Washington, District of Columbia Registered: Jun 2008 posted 02-02-2012 10:40 AM                     @ Phil: was the audio 7.1?  |  IP: Logged Phil Ranucci Expert Film Handler Posts: 236 From: Carpinteria,CA, United States Registered: May 2006 posted 02-02-2012 11:58 PM                     Doremi Showvault and IMB. We use a DMA8+ into a CP650 so not sure how we'd get 7.1 into the house. The Barco is a demo unit so we didn't wire the audio into the digital I/O the 650 has installed.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-03-2012 09:21 AM                     No Surround 7.1 if the CP650's 6-channel input was used. -Steve  |  IP: Logged Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 02-22-2012 09:21 AM                     I need to put up here, for the record, that the film was given its European Premiere in Dublin last Saturday in 2K, and on a 60ft silver screen. I was at the screening. There is some misinformation going about that the film was shown in 4K - it was not. That's all I can say for now.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 02-22-2012 11:06 AM                        Just because SAMSARA was shown at it's European premiere in Dublin in 2K digital, does not mean it is was never presented in 4K elsewhere such as it's world premiere at the Toronto film festival. The Wikipedia encyclopedia online had reported SAMSARA was shown in 4K in Toronto and the film's review in Variety reported the same thing. As you may well know, both the Wikipedia encyclopedia and Variety provide very reliable information. Please also consider the fact that it absolutely makes no sense at all to show it only in 2K digital instead of 4K in theatres when Ron Frieke went to all the trouble to photograph SAMSARA on 65mm film. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 02-22-2012 02:20 PM                     Apologies Claude, I'd meant that some claims that the film had been shown in 4K in Dublin were incorrect. Obviously Samsara has been shown in 4K at Toronto, at Santa Barbara and in April will be shown in 4K at Bradford.  |  IP: Logged

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