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Author Topic: SAMSARA not in 70mm - only 4K digital Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 10-15-2012 06:40 AM                     quote: Victor Liorentas Is anyone doing 70mm right where 4k is humbled a little? Fear not, I saw The Master very recently in a superb 70mm presentation and rest assured that it blows even the flawless 8K>4K restoration of Lawrence of Arabia out of the water! IMO Samsara works very well in 4K because it is principally a documentary. But...again in my opinion, for dramatic storytelling, video - no matter how sophisticated it may be - does not engage to the extent that film does. Had the eminent filmmakers behind Samsara been able to go back to the negative and strike a small number of 70mm prints, this would have added another dimension to the picture; it would have been the full experience. Who knows; it might still be possible.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-15-2012 08:16 AM                     It is impossible to say that Samsara at 4K looks as good as 70mm since one is not afforded a comparison. Based on strict numbers, the statement is false. 4K is approximately the resolution of 35mm 1.85. As such, an EK print in 35mm should have looked as good or better than the 4K version. A properly struck 70mm print should have substantially more information on it than the 4K presentation. The 70mm print should have a greater color gamut too. But again, without a comparison, the statement, on its own, has no basis.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-15-2012 10:38 AM                     quote: Paul Gordon Deluxe in Toronto shut their lab down a few months back. Vision Global out of Montreal is doing all their release prints. Interesting. We have no more affiliation with 35mm houses at the office, all have long since converted, but the last prints I saw were the worst I'd ever seen and they were coming from Deluxe Toronto, which I was under the impression was the only lab still making release prints. Who is supplying the bulk of 35mm prints for the theaters that have not yet converted?  |  IP: Logged Paul Gordon Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 580 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2005 posted 10-15-2012 11:42 AM                        In Canada its Vision Global and Technicolor in Montreal, though Technicolor is shutting down very very soon. I think thats it.  |  IP: Logged Daniel Schulz Master Film Handler Posts: 387 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 10-15-2012 01:19 PM                        Deluxe Hollywood is still printing film, and AFAIK is supplying the bulk of 35mm release prints for the North American market.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-16-2012 12:37 AM                     At least they were better than Deluxe Canada, but it is clear the quality has dropped to nothing based upon the last 35mm prints I saw.  |  IP: Logged Martin Brooks Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 900 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 10-22-2012 12:44 AM                        quote: Fear not, I saw The Master very recently in a superb 70mm presentation and rest assured that it blows even the flawless 8K>4K restoration of Lawrence of Arabia out of the water! I have always been a really big proponent of 70mm presentations, but I saw "The Master" in 70mm at the Ziegfeld in NYC and the print had positive dirt on it from end to end and it was also not projected with enough light. And the print was only 7 days old when I saw it. The image was crisp, but except for those few scenes near the end where he drives off in the car, there were no great landscape shots that really warranted 70mm (and it was 1.85, not 2.2). I doubt that anyone who saw the print that I saw thought that 70mm was superior to either 35mm or a normal digital presentation. It was incredibly disappointing. But assuming they scan from the 70mm, I'm sure the Blu-ray will look great. I don't know whether the dirt was a lab problem or whether someone dropped the film on the way to the platter, but if that's the way film is going to be handled because of problems in the lab or because of the lack of trained personnel in the booth, then we're better off with digital. You'd think I was watching a 30 year old print. If your print was in great condition, which I'm guessing it was from your description, then I have to assume there was a problem in the theatre. Which would also be a shame because some of the best presentations I've ever seen were at the Ziegfeld.  |  IP: Logged Derek Young Film Handler Posts: 8 From: Stockwell London England Registered: Aug 2012 posted 10-22-2012 03:55 AM                  Hi Brian, Can you say where you saw the 70mm screening.  |  IP: Logged Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 10-22-2012 06:32 AM                     Thanks Derek, have replied via PM, and will confine comments about other films to their respective threads. Apparently there were also some picture corrections made during the DI process for Samsara (removal of extraneous items in some shots, selective colour changes).  |  IP: Logged

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