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Author Topic: What causes the screen to go pink?
Buck Wilson
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Our Barco's do this, but so far it has only been operator error. Unfortunately, you can't just change the format on the playback screen while the show is playing, however, I have had luck switching formats on the side of the projector itself, no re-boot necessary, and you don't even have to stop the show.

The buttons are real finiky though, you have to press extraordinarily hard on them, with both fingers on one another, to get it to take. Quite annoying. Especially when nearly half of the first shows of the day, you have to manually power on the lamp via the same buttons, because it'll only try striking the bulb once.

For that reason, I doubt it'll be possible to just program the shows to start on their own when we go full digital, you have to babysit them as it is just to make sure the bulb even strikes. But I'm just rambling now....

-Buck

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Monte L Fullmer
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I'll even reboot (cold boot) servers to also clear out stale memory on a weekly basis...along with the projectors.

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Buck Wilson
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^^That is a good practice in my eyes, and would certainly solve a lot of problems at my location, however for whatever reason, the GM was told to never turn them off and of course he is running with that. Despite the fact we are constantly having to hard-restart them when we have issues with connectivity anyways.

I shudder to think of the problems we will have when we go full digital.

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Frank Angel
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quote: Buck Wilson
The buttons are real finiky though, you have to press extraordinarily hard on them, with both fingers on one another, to get it to take.
WTF? Who is designing these things? Annoying....that's an understatement.

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Buck Wilson
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You've got that right. The cheapness of these projectors is evident in more than a few places. Awful buttons, sketchy reliability, cheap parts... Even changing the lamp, it's easy to see that many crucial fasteners etc are made of sub-par metal that you must be VERY careful with so as not to break/strip them.

Image quality is great though! When they're working! Lol.

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Ken Lackner
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quote: Scott Norwood
So this only happens in 3D houses?
Not necessarily. If the server is somehow set for 3D playback and the projector is in a 2D format, which would be all that would be set up in a 2D house, then it could happen in a 2D house.

quote: Scott Norwood
And what needs to be rebooted? The server? The projector? Both?
Depends on the source of the issue. In the case of operator error, which IS likely to be the cause, rebooting anything shouldn't be necessary. Either the server will be set to the wrong playback mode (3D when it should be 2D or 2D when it should be 3D.) Solution: Stop the show, change the server to the correct playback mode, and start the show. If the correct cue is present in the SPL to select the proper macro or channel on the projector, then all should be well. If the sever is set to the correct playback mode and for some reason the projector did not switch to the correct macro or channel, simply select the correct macro or channel and you're done. No need to even pause the show. Later, when you have time, you can figure out why the wrong setting or macro was selected, but for now, there is no need for 5-10 minutes of down time while you reboot the projector.

quote: Brad Miller
I have *never* had this happen with Barco or Christie. Unless NEC has a quirk where this happens every so often, it is definitely operator error. (I believe Mike though, so I'm betting there is a bug in NEC's firmware.)
I've never had this happen, at least that was reported to me, where operator error was not the cause, even on an NEC. The operator error could be as simple as placing a 3D trailer in an otherwise all-2D SPL, which, if you have a Dolby server, would cause the server to switch to 3D playback mode for that show.

quote: Buck Wilson
The buttons are real finiky though, you have to press extraordinarily hard on them, with both fingers on one another, to get it to take. Quite annoying. Especially when nearly half of the first shows of the day, you have to manually power on the lamp via the same buttons, because it'll only try striking the bulb once.
quote: Buck Wilson
The cheapness of these projectors is evident in more than a few places. Awful buttons, sketchy reliability, cheap parts...
Out of curiosity, what model Barco projector(s) do you have? Barco is generally known for being a quality product, and I've never encountered or heard of the reliability issues you speak of. There should be no issues fully automating them.

quote: Buck Wilson
That is a good practice in my eyes, and would certainly solve a lot of problems at my location, however for whatever reason, the GM was told to never turn them off and of course he is running with that.
As discussed elsewhere on this forum, servers should be left running 24/7, and your company likely has a policy to that effect. That is not to say, however, that they can't or shouldn't be reboot periodically. You should be able to do that and still comply with your company's "left powered 24/7" policy.

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Buck Wilson
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I'll suggest that idea, He may like it as he's looking for solutions to the random issues we regularly have.

We have 3 Barco DP2000 projectors. They're hand-me-downs from another in our theater chain, and therefore have been installed at least twice since new.

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Buck Wilson
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Had this issue(green-tinted screen) among others today. And it wasn't operator error this time.

Of our three Barcos, for the first walk-in alone today, The following happened:

House #2- Bulb strike cue or dowser open cue didn't take... Manual buttons actually worked with minimal pressure.

House #3- No issues.

House #8- Katy Perry 2D was to start. Was in 3D, switched movie and playing mode to Dolby 3D before starting, then started. Bulb strike cue didn't take, but the dowser did open. Moderate to hard pressure on the manual button got it to strike, and when it did, on screen content was green. It took extreme pressure/repetition on the manual 'flat 2D' button to get it to switch over.

No movies had to be re-started and all was well within the first 30 seconds of each respective movie. Just unfortunate that we have to babysit them like that nearly every day.

I found out last night when we go digital in August/September, we are (unfortunately) keeping the 3 Barco/RealD/silver screen setups, and getting 2 more RealD/silver screens, and 7 NEC projectors, and a central Doremi server setup. Hopefully with much more storage than we currently have.

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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Ok, what's wrong with this picture? :

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House #8- Katy Perry 2D was to start. Was in 3D, switched movie and playing mode to Dolby 3D before starting, then started. Bulb strike cue didn't take, but the dowser did open. Moderate to hard pressure on the manual button got it to strike, and when it did, on screen content was green. It took extreme pressure/repetition on the manual 'flat 2D' button to get it to switch over.

Now whose fault was this screw-up? Operator or equipment? Hmmmmmmmm....... [Roll Eyes] [Big Grin]

And this one:

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House #2- Bulb strike cue or dowser open cue didn't take... Manual buttons actually worked with minimal pressure.

Which one was it? Did you check to see if the lamp was lit or did you just panic and start pushing buttons?

It sounds more like you are not trained or comfortable with the equipment because from what you posted the issues you're having are all operator caused/related.

As for the cues, it is very important regardless of equipment brands to NOT "Stack" cues on top of each other. Allow at least a few seconds between cues to allow the server and projector to execute the cues and you won't have issues.

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Kris Verhanneman
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Buck,

from what I read you still have the old buttons that came with the projector.
Have a look at the buttons and see if there are small wires visible.
If not you have the old one.
That can be fixed without big troubles.

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Buck Wilson
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Haha Tony I typed that wrong. Was in Dolby 3D playing mode, switched it to 2D. I did it right, I promise. LOL

Also, with projector #2, neither cue took. Didn't realize I worded it so stupidly, I understand the confusion. I understand and am comfortable with them, and I would never just 'press buttons'.

I'll change the cue stacking. They aren't ever stacked more than 2, and that said, our 'reset to intermission' clip has like 5 cues stacked on top of each other and they never have an issue.

As for the buttons, I know one of them has wires, I'll check the other 2

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Manny Knowles
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You guys are ALWAYS making simple things complicated.

Clearly, it's Digital Vinegar Syndrome.

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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Manny, you're a nut. [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Buck, no problem. But yeah, get those cues "unstacked" and you'll find life a lot easier. I learned the hard way what happens when you stack cues/events. (My first encounter with the problem predated digital cinema, I wrote an AMX control program where I had multiple strings being sent through serial ports without any delay between, some very odd things would happen.)

But I stand by my statement that your problems are operator caused (not YOU specifically, but whoever sets up your shows).

Even I tripped myself up with my first D-Cinema install, by playing with the projector's pre-programmed "Channels" and by giving the projector discrete input commands rather than channel changes with my AMX controls. Ooops....

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Mike Blakesley
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Weird how the machine will miss a cue sometimes. Not too long ago, show #1 ended and everyone was out, so I closed the douser using the computer and we sold tickets for the late show. When the same show started again via the scheduler, the douser did not open.

Plenty of other times, I've closed the douser the same way and it's worked fine on the next show.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Mike Blakesley
Weird how the machine will miss a cue sometimes
..we still have the automation in the loop here somewhere.. CNAe 100's are the common ones to be used.

Do anyone of us reboot these units from time to time, plus check for fire alarm messages and clear then?

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