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Author Topic: T.M.S. software programs (stand alone) Ken Lackner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1907 From: Atlanta, GA, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 06-16-2014 02:59 PM                     Someone please correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I am confused. quote: Dennis Benjamin They have no plans to put in an LMS or TMS. I am trying to convince them to put in at least a TMS (without the storage). From what I have seen, "LMS" and "TMS" mean the same thing, and are used interchangeably. One manufacturer in particular calls their system the "LMS," while most others refer to it as a "TMS," but they are functionally equivalent. quote: Dennis Benjamin a TMS (without the storage) How is that possible? A key component of a TMS is having central storage that you load all content on to, and from there transfer the content to the auditoriums, so that you don't need to manually ingest the content onto each server it is playing on. Dennis, are you thinking of "LMS" as meaning the entire system including hardware, and "TMS" as the management software? I've not see that type of breakdown in terminology before, but again, I could be wrong.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-16-2014 03:45 PM                     It is entirely possible to have a TMS with 1GB of storage (meaning, not enough for even a trailer). It just means the content moves from screen to screen INSTEAD of from the TMS itself, and all content is ingested on a screen server. It's a little dangerous though if you don't have the content on at least two screen servers, as if one machine crashed, you would lose the content. (Assuming you got it via satellite download or sent your hard drive back immediately upon ingesting.)  |  IP: Logged Ken Lackner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1907 From: Atlanta, GA, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 06-16-2014 05:07 PM                     Possible, yes. I know the software doesn't care what size the drive (or hopefully array) is. But what would be the point?  |  IP: Logged Tim Sherman Expert Film Handler Posts: 125 From: North Ridgeville, OH, USA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 06-16-2014 08:22 PM                        Small theaters with few screens for VPF reporting. Two screens here at my theater, we use the Cinedigm Micro LMS (no storage) for that reason only. So I guess technically it is a TMS because there is no library storage. But it has always been referred to as a LMS  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 06-17-2014 05:59 AM                     It's not completely insane to have content only on your screen-servers and do just the programming and KDM housekeeping through the TMS. Sure it doesn't make much sense since adding a RAID to the TMS machine doesn't cost much. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Dennis Benjamin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1445 From: Denton, MD Registered: Feb 2002 posted 06-17-2014 06:10 AM                        I have two 4 screen locations that have been running the TMS program without storage for two years now. The managers have come to appreciate it, since at first, they didn't have anything. With the theatre opening in the immediate future (7 screens) - we have already discussed adding a Raid Array to the TMS computer. We felt it will be important since they are installing the Christie Solarias with internal IMBs and no servers. While they will have Network attached storage, we felt it would make more sense to have storage at the TMS computer - therefore turning into a Library Media Server. With the two four screen locations they both have GDC servers. Typically the content is ingested onto a server and then it is moved to another one (while keeping a copy on the original server). So, I hope that clarifies.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-17-2014 03:55 PM                     Of course you can run it without storage... not wise IMHO though, storage is uber cheap these days. By default storage is created iregardless on the OS drive where the TMS APP lives. You can choose to ignore it in Filezilla though. Steve G. It does give added flexibility, especially for adding other satellite gear later down the road. It is also less of a kludge. But my main reason is because once you get above three sets of CAT 6 plenum rated cables attaching them directly to the switch is a bit unwieldy. I have found that more then three pair of wires should really have a permanent cable tied in home afforded by the rack and patch bay, it also takes any strain off the RJ-45's on the switches. It also eliminates anyone from ever handling the main cabling if a switch should ever go down. Like you I also certify each run with the Fluke. So no one handling it after the fact is a bonus. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-18-2014 03:52 AM                     Sorry Mark...I just don't see it. It looks pretty much the same to me as well as the stress...also looks to be pretty much the same. If anything, the patch bay punch down process and the means to tie down the cable to the patch bay on the punch down side seems to put more stress on the cable. Since no one ever really handles the cable after it is installed, there just doesn't seem to be any point to the patch bay. If you bring in a satellite (or anything) after the initial install...bring it in. It is no different with/without the patch bay. The only difference is where you terminate it...the rest of the cable dress is identical.  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-18-2014 11:42 PM                     OK Steve, you don't like patch bays. If you're doing the cabling work yourself, direct cabling is doable. I still think it a poor choice in a larger installation. Every non-trivial (many cables to many locations) CAT5/6 network cabling installation I've seen in the world uses punchdown patch bays. I've seen a lot of them. You do it your way, you're welcome to it.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-19-2014 05:53 AM                     Yes...and I've yet to see a benefit to it and none of you have shown any demonstrated reason why a punch down bay is superior. Furthermore, I've had failures in the quality of the work done by the guy who did the punch down (before the TMS was in place...they had the rack and patch bay, as you suggest). Just because everyone's doing it doesn't make it a good reason. I could possibly understand in a traditional IT environment where there could be more than a set/forget environment...but in a cinema...it is an install once and forget. Maybe in 10-years one will have to mess with it or use whatever is current then too. Mind you...I've never understood the massive use of audio patchbays either. I understand their use and have indeed designed them in (see the AFI/Silver pictures)...and, in my opinion, a well designed patch bay system has the "normals" be what is used 90+% of time and the rest be reasonably patched for selected needs. With even with audio patch bays (or video) you run the risk of them becoming a point of failure too. But back to Ethernet patch bays...the standards a practices of IT, historically have been rather lax at best...not something I would want to emulate "just because."  |  IP: Logged Ronda Fitzsimmons Film Handler Posts: 75 From: Pottstown, PA, USA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 06-25-2014 06:15 PM                        Just so you know, Dennis, we have two 4-screen and one 6-screen theatres running Chistie Solaria One's and we don't use either a TMS or an LMS. We do have a simple Windows 7 computer connected to the manager's office with a gigabit switch, and I think the tech just used some simple direct connect software to each projector with a clickable link on the main screen. Once you log into each projector, you can initiate a transfer directly between them if you've set each NAS up with a unique identifier (eg. /theatre2 and GOD don't forget to use the slash!!). It's been a year now, and our manager's seem happy with the setup. Not a single one has complained or requested a TMS/LMS be installed, although Christie has asked a number of times. We've had a ton of issues with the Solaria One's (we were part of the first run, and had IMB and LVPS problems galore), so you might want to recommend at least a spare LVPS and CF Card to be keep on hand. Good luck! Ronda  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 06-25-2014 06:37 PM                     Steve - what cables and connectors do you use for this kind of cabling? - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-25-2014 07:01 PM                     Our cables are by Belden and the connectors are by AMP (TE).  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 06-25-2014 08:03 PM                     I didn't mean brands, but type. Because there is quite a difference in available connectors, cables and tools between massive conductor for permamnent wiring and flexible/stranded cables when it comes to crimps. When there is no need for a central patch-panel, I still prefer wall-sockets for terminating cable runs. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-25-2014 09:55 PM                     I'd have to check...I don't have the numbers memorized. We use solid conductor cable though. I've heard stranded cable can be much easier to work with.  |  IP: Logged

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