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Author Topic: The end of film. Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-14-2015 11:49 PM                        Nope I would definitely not do it that way!  |  IP: Logged Christopher Lani Film Handler Posts: 62 From: Ely, Nevada, USA Registered: Nov 2013 posted 07-15-2015 02:22 AM                        I basically inherited a 75 year old projector that had been run by teenagers for about 10 years. Religiously maintained. Not.  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-15-2015 06:07 AM                     We work with a few boothless cinemas. It saves a pile in construction cost and simplifies the building layout. If the owner does it right, it can work well. No major issues servicing if the projector housing was well thought out and access was designed in properly. It is obviously less convenient than a regular booth, but booths were for film projection where constant access was required: digital projectors don't require that and it is quite expensive to provide. When an owner is only interested in cutting costs, the cinema is usually a nightmare whether it has a booth or not.  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-15-2015 07:54 AM                        quote: Christopher Lani I basically inherited a 75 year old projector No one is ever going to see a 75 year old digital projector  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 07-15-2015 01:51 PM                     So how do you converge or bore-sight in your boothless systems? Generally, the projector should be in final position for both though convergence should be fine if done at a different angle bore-sight absolutely has to be done in final position. And who is cleaning the filters in these boothless systems (or changing them, as the case may be)?  |  IP: Logged Sam Graham AKA: "The Evil Sam Graham". Wackiness ensues. Posts: 1431 From: Waukee, IA Registered: Dec 2004 posted 07-15-2015 03:39 PM                        Mike would still have a booth because he needs the space to hide the bodies. Unless Gulbrandson stops bringing him bodies. Then maybe no booth.  |  IP: Logged Rick Raskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1100 From: Manassas Virginia Registered: Jan 2003 posted 07-15-2015 04:13 PM                     quote: Martin McCaffery No one is ever going to see a 75 year old digital projector Sure you will...In a museum. Interestingly, when I worked the Kennedy Center they had E7s in the booth of the Eisenhower Theater. No clue what's there today.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 07-15-2015 06:25 PM                     At this location of this pict, I take care of the Barco filters (and have trained others on how to do these), but I've heard that with other cinemas that have gone with this boothless style, that an actual presentation crew has the task of doing the maintenance on the units with this new form of setup. Not all houses are easy to maintain like this one - crawl spaces, closets, enclosures and ladders are the norm for this location.  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-15-2015 06:27 PM                        quote: Rick Raskin Interestingly, when I worked the Kennedy Center they had E7s in the booth of the Eisenhower Theater. No clue what's there today. I ran those a few times, but they were probably only 40 years old then  |  IP: Logged David M. Leugers Film Handler Posts: 43 From: Fairfield, Ohio, united States of America Registered: Jan 2005 posted 07-15-2015 11:50 PM                     The EPA has been a serious problem for even the smallest labs it seems. A guy named Frank ran a B+W film lab developing R-8mm, S-8mm and 16mm film in California a number of years ago. He made his own equipment and did wonderful work, but he had to shut down due to ridiculous and costly EPA demands. This from an organization that allows fracking and its use of seriously toxic chemicals in millions of gallons everyday destroying the underground water supply all over the country...  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 07-16-2015 01:13 AM                     Allows? Or is prohibited to do anything about?  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-16-2015 05:55 PM                     It always seems, to me, that there is always an undercurrent of laziness in these "going to digital" threads. "Untold trips up and down the stairs." "Always repairing projectors." "Don't want to perform maintenance." There's always an unspoken feeling that says, "I don't want to work." People just want to sit in their chairs and type on a keyboard. They don't want to maintain machines (digital OR film) They don't want to clean. They don't want to do the things necessary to run a business but, at the same time, they complain when they don't make money. I don't care if it's digital or film. I don't care if you are in the movie business or if you dig a ditch. Sorry folks... If you want to have a business and make money, no matter what your business is, you have to work for it. We can't go around whining about how heavy film cans are and how much it costs to ship them. We can't go around whining and pontificating about how "dangerous" film chemicals are. (Then getting sidetracked into a discussion of fracking... that's weird!) We can't go around arguing about how much it costs to build a theater, either with or without a projection room. Just a few years ago, people were complaining about how hard it was to make and ship film prints. Now they are bitching about shipping hard drives. They bitch and moan about wanting to get movies via internet or satellite links. Just a few years ago, people were complaining about threading projectors and keeping them running right. Now they bitch about how hard it is to change the air filters in a digital machine. People bitch and moan about how "hard" it is to run a theater and at the same time they bitch about how the movie companies try to screw the little guy. Well, if you don't want to do your job and let somebody else do the work, you are going to have to give up the credit for doing that job and the money will go with it. I don't care what the medium is, just get off your fat ass and do your damned job! If you don't want to do your job and work for the money you make, you might as well stay home and watch movies on your smart phone with everybody else because you won't have a theater to whine about, anymore! Either stop whining and work or don't bother to get out of bed in the first place!  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-16-2015 06:48 PM                        I didn't buy a digital projector to get me out of work -- I'm glad it's less work, but that's not why I bought it. I think if we all stopped using "machines" for everything we'd be amazed at how lazy we've all gotten. quote: David M. Leugers destroying the underground water supply Hmm, I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, otherwise we'd see hordes of dead people lying all over the place.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-16-2015 07:29 PM                     I didn't mean to say that all people who use digital projectors are lazy. I thought that would be understood. Yes, I use a digital projector at work and I generally like it. The thing is that, without film, movie theaters no longer have a monopoly on audiovisual entertainment. Anybody can see a movie at almost any time, almost anywhere. They don't have to go to a theater if they don't want to. There is the key... "If they do or don't want to." How is the theater owner going to make it so people want to go to the theater? If we consider that digital projectors free up some of the time and resources formerly use to staff projection rooms, we could use those resources to help improve the customer experience. Yeah, I've heard all the payroll cost and human resources cost arguments. I've heard all the reports of increased costs to run theaters and decreased profits. That's not my argument at all. What I am saying is that, digital or film, the focus needs to be on the customer experience. Done right, using digital can allow that to be done better. Most of the people here DO try to focus on the customer. I never argued differently. But, still, I say again, every time I hear one of these questions about "when film will be gone" I also hear an undercurrent that tells me those people don't want to do the hard work that it takes to run a theater in the first place. If people don't get over that, it won't matter how good digital projectors are and the question of comparing movies on film to digital movies in any respect will be moot because there won't be theaters to show movies in, anymore.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 07-16-2015 07:31 PM                     If Randy's post was on FB, I'd would give it a "like" and do a "share" with this post. Excellent post, by the way ! Kinda goes on a story of a man was given a hundred dollar bill by his friend, and he bitched that he wanted it in five twenties. People just can't be pleased. quote: Randy Stankey I also hear an undercurrent that tells me those people don't want to do the hard work that it takes to run a theater in the first place. Seen managers do this also - just don't want to get involved with their assigned location and pull the rope along with everyone else that works under the roof. -Monte  |  IP: Logged

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