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Author Topic: NEC 1600 Problems Steve Wilson Expert Film Handler Posts: 109 From: Paoli, IN, USA Registered: May 2004 posted 10-14-2016 01:17 PM                        Has anyone tried to run this Test File on any of the NEC Series One Projectors. My projector was manufactured at the same time these specs came on online in 2009. My projector was manufactured and sold sometime in early 2010? I have not tried the test file. Do any of the techs on here know the possibility that these files will work on these NEC series one projectors?? Or if there is an update to fix such problems if not? Thanks What is SMPTE? While SMPTE was in the process of developing standards, the industry utilized an interim packaging format known as the “Interop” format. It was understood that the industry would transition to a SMPTE-DCP packaging format once those SMPTE standards were finalized and published. These standards were published in 2009 and software that supports those standards has been available for several years. Additional updates have been released that fixed various bugs that prevented proper playback of SMPTE compliant content. We will be providing all locations with the SMPTE format on Keeping Up With the Joneses. Please let us know ASAP if any of your locations are not SMPTE ready or if you would like a test key to verify that your location is ready. Please forward this to someone else in your operations if this is not something you have an answer for. We don’t want any dark houses next week.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-14-2016 01:33 PM                     LOL... SMPTE! And speaking of the SMPTE standards that were to be implemented this year... What the hell happened to those? I am still seeing mostly just IOP versions on nearly every hard drive that I touch. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Wilson Expert Film Handler Posts: 109 From: Paoli, IN, USA Registered: May 2004 posted 10-14-2016 02:18 PM                        Mark, I am told that those getting content from Satellite, they are all the new standard. Those receiving hard drives are still the old standard  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-14-2016 02:43 PM                     The IOP vs. SMPTE compatibility thing is more a matter of the server or TMS than that of the projector. What they are circulating now within DCDC satellite network is a format that has been tested thoroughly against various servers, but with their more recent software versions. As it turns out, the result is more towards who is still running outdated software vs. up-to-date. If your server is on current software, you don't have to worry. ISDCF has more info on it. http://isdcf.com/t/SMPTE-DCP-Tests/ SMPTE is coming slowly, but it definitely is coming now. They are choosing electronic distribution networks for testing because there is a stronger feedback loop for problems. Series 1 or non-DCI compliant series II projectors may turn out problematic if these force you to run older software on your server which MAY not be compliant with the agreed-upon SMPTE test format. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 10-14-2016 03:35 PM                     I also notice that, in DCP-o-matic,one has the option to choose either IOP or SMPTE when creating a DCP. I'm using SMPTE in my DCP productions. Looks like using this setting was programmed as a default setting after software install even with the newest revisions that arrive in notices. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-14-2016 05:40 PM                     Carl reverted this to IOP just recently, basically because SMPTE is not yet in widespread use. SMPTE is not a monolithic fixed format, but offers various packaging options. No server currently supports the full feature set. Instead, for now they chose a 'lowest common denominator' feature set, which works on all servers. Which is what they are delivering through DCDC oder broadband delivery in europe now. Previous versions of DCP-o-matic did not create this format to full extent. While it worked on most/all servers, it failed some formal QC. Carl fixed this, but reverted the standard wrapping method back to IOP. But this will probably change to SMPTE again within the next one or two years, depending on how SMPTE usage will develop. ATMOS and HFR DCPs have to be in SMPTE format, as they rely on features only available in SMPTE wrapping. If both IOP and SMPTE works on your systems, you'll be fine using either. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Cameron Glendinning Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 845 From: West Ryde, Sydney, NSW Australia Registered: Dec 2005 posted 10-14-2016 07:15 PM                     I too have a NEC 1600, bought 2nd hand from the same Australian cinema supplier as above. One of its first jobs was a temporary install for a small film festival held at Parramatta, a suburb in Sydney, in an 800 seat theater. Happy to say that it ran all content supplied including SMPTE and 25 fps, I heard that there were issues interstate and the cinema location could not play all the films via dcp and dvd's were occasionally used. I mostly use this projector outdoors with a 9m/ 30ft wide 2.1 ratio inflatable screen and have just installed a Chinese made, 2 000 w Plusrite bulb, claiming up to 9600 lumens and a 2400 hours warranty. The 2D results really exceeded my expectations and provides a very good result outdoors, even with ambient light. Aligning the bulb was pretty easy after watching a video found on youtube a few times. I have not used it yet with 3D and I doubt it will ever be required, I do have a Panastereo 3D system with active shutter glasses and a budget for a bigger bulb if required. I imagine that the 2K bulb and the 3D results should be pretty good on my 6m indoor scope screen, which is a slightly more probable rental situation.  |  IP: Logged Steve Wilson Expert Film Handler Posts: 109 From: Paoli, IN, USA Registered: May 2004 posted 10-19-2016 05:28 PM                        I have a 2010 NEC 1600 A plus a GDC Server. I loaded the SMPTE Test file. It created a TEST category with the file in it. The problem I ran into was a Red X was in front of the file, the same RED X that is in front on Feature movie which needs a key to get rid of the X and to allow the movie file to play. Does anyone have any ideas of what the problem is?  |  IP: Logged Stephan Shelley Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 854 From: castro valley, CA, usa Registered: Nov 2014 posted 10-19-2016 07:16 PM                     You should check with GDC about what is the version of software you can run that supports the SMPTE packages and work with your series 1 projector. There may be issues with newer software and the interface board model in the projector. You may have have to replace the interface board to upgrade the server software to use SMPTE packages.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-20-2016 01:16 AM                     Is your server on 8.01 software? Without it, you are not going to support SMPTE packages. Does your 1600 have a GORE board or at least a type IV TI interface board...though a type 3 should also work ( you need one that supports TLS link encryption). Note if you do upgrade to 8.01, be sure to have the document that describes how to do it and read through it first. You'll need t add an aditional Ethernet cable for the security manager (Mediablock) and assigna a new IP address. There is a specific procedure for doing the update.  |  IP: Logged Steve Wilson Expert Film Handler Posts: 109 From: Paoli, IN, USA Registered: May 2004 posted 10-21-2016 02:21 AM                        A close friend sent to me the special SMPTE Trailer: "How to be Single", the file was sent out back last January to i guess to most multiplex theaters to test with. I called Technicolor and there has to be a key to run the file as per the instructions. Why, I have no idea!? So, tonight at 1 a.m. in the morning, I loaded everything up and ran the trailer! All went and played just like everything else has in the past. So, I guess we are for the moment SMPTE capable. I would assume and was also told by Technicolor that the test files refereed to here on the official site, must also have to have keys in order to run. I would have thought somebody on here would have known that info already??  |  IP: Logged Frank Cox Film God Posts: 2234 From: Melville Saskatchewan Canada Registered: Apr 2011 posted 10-21-2016 02:27 AM                        What does that Security Manager thing actually secure, anyway? It takes what seems to be a really long time to "Attempt to connect" every time the server is rebooted and I've always wondered what it's doing other than just holding things up.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-21-2016 06:09 AM                     Steve - the reason why they secure special trailers that way is that they want to have feedback, and they don't want special DCPs to circulate in the wild and cause problems without them knowing. That's the reason why they only started to publish them in closed environments like the DCDC. I'm not sure if you are safe, because this was one of the first test releases. What is your server, and what software is it running? Because, basically, SMPTE is more server than projector related. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-21-2016 09:45 AM                     Frank, The security manager (SM) is required in all DCinema environments as per DCI. The SM is typically the mediablock, either internal or integrated. There is also another SM for HDSDI systems with the "Enigma" boards...either SM can shut the system down. So the 3-minute wait you see on boot up (and it typically connects within a minute of seeing the 3 minute warning) is just the mediablock booting up and then talking with the rest of the server via its Ethernet port. If it was an IMB system, it would be the IMB itself. The SM's job also is at show-start to check licenses and not show anything that isn't properly licensed to show (hence when you press play or the scheduler does, it does that last minute check). Note, all of the HDSDI systems do that. Dolby, which took the longest, by far, to "Checking Licenses" has effectively sped it up by performing the check when the show is selected so it is ready to play at show start. It can take a Dolby CAT862 upwards of a minute to check licenses as compared to the few seconds it takes GDC or Doremi.  |  IP: Logged Steve Wilson Expert Film Handler Posts: 109 From: Paoli, IN, USA Registered: May 2004 posted 10-21-2016 06:10 PM                        Thanks for the Reply's guys! I am trying to get a more up to date movie or trailer file to play with the latest changes from Technicolor.  |  IP: Logged

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