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Topic: Replacing an aging digital projector....options
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Marcel Birgelen
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From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 03-29-2019 12:20 AM
Not much known yet, but it will tickle down in the coming days and weeks. It will be interesting to see what i/o made it into it.
Pretty much what I predicted from the basic feature set though, essentially a merge of the CP750 and 850 for those that won't go for an IMS3000, where Atmos remains (most likely an expensive) upgrade... I didn't expect the integrated booth monitor though:
Making its debut at CinemaCon, the Dolby Cinema Processor CP950 offers the most innovative way of installing Dolby 5.1 and 7.1 surround and includes an expansion slot for future upgradability to Dolby Atmos. This feature-packed solution offers ease of installation and servicing, a built-in booth monitor, intuitive front-panel user interface, color touchscreen, crossover for bi-amplified or tri-amplified screen loudspeakers, and web interface for enhanced access and usability.
Click here for the source...
It remains to be seen if they put the CP750 and CP850 on end-of-sale now. They can't make it much more expensive than the CP750, or they'll price themselves out of the market, as there are sufficient competitive products for plain 7.1 out there. I expect the Atmos license to be about the same as the license for the IMS3000, which would also make some sense.
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Steve Guttag
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From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 03-29-2019 05:20 PM
CP50 had a run from about 1976 to 1985
CP200 had a run from 1980 till 1993.
The CP55 went from 1985 till 1992ish (The CP65 came with digital). Still, longer than a 3-5 year run.
The CP65 had a much longer than 3-5 year run. The CP500 was a relatively short run but it was both too far ahead of its time and also not far enough. They tried to give it CP200 traits before the technology was there...it was a bastard of analog and digital where the digital just wasn't there yet.
The CP650 had a long run to (better than 10 years).
In truth Dolby tried to maintain a Feature laden (CP100, CP200, CP500) processor and more economical (just SVA) type processor (CP50, 55, 65). It wasn't until the CP650 that those sort of combined but I recall the CP65 and CP650 coexisting because it was still cheaper than a CP650SR. I think it was ROHS that did in the CP65.
The CP45 just should never have been released and didn't really replace anything and was little more than an expensive sort-of knock off processor with fake SR.
The realities are that the CP750 was a home-run of a processor. It covered the intended use very well (5.1 audio) adapted well to 7.1 and had the right balance of features, size and price. Whatever you replace it with would need similar features. Heck, it even did better dealing with ADA than its contemporaries. It effectively became a 5xAES input device with 10 analog outputs.
Compare that to the likes of the JSD60...did you want 7.1 or ADA compliance? Do you want to decode 2.0? (hint, the CP750 can, and though you can on the JSD60...again, you have to give up something and then shift things around).
The CP850 was brought out for Atmos. I'm sure there are people that put it in without Atmos, perhaps for uniformity within a complex that has Atmos on one or more screens but I don't, personally, know of anyone that put it in just for 5.1/7.1 and no nod to Atmos. It doesn't even have a multi-channel analog input like the CP750 so you can't even call it feature laden! It, was brought out for a particular purpose. I wonder how many CP850 sales were blown over the glaring omission of no multi-channel analog.
I look forward to seeing the CP950 and hope they did it right though I see much of my future sound being more DSP based and less expensive pre-canned solutions.
What is the current cinema processor market?
JSD60 (still the lowest cost (and tiny) and reasonably flexible...if it only had 2-more channels)
JSD100 (does nothing for me)
DCP100-DCP300 (They certainly have their ups and downs...probably the most flexible for a canned solution in that there is an 8-channel analog, 6-channel analog inputs plus Cobranet plus 16-channels of AES on the 200 and 300)
DPM100/300 (I'm getting mixed reviews on them from the field and they are yet more canned)
QSYS (the most flexible)
All of the above are under the QSC banner now.
CP750 and CP850 from Dolby are discussed above
Trinnov's Ovation gets rave reviews for its sound quality though it is a pricey "canned" processor and lacks high-bandwidth DTS/Dolby decoding for alternate content.
Datasat's AP25...the other very flexible semi-canned solution with lots of I/O and HDMI decoding that handles both Dolby and DTS off of HDMI...but what is its support/longevity right now. The fact that they brought out the new version is encouraging.
Note, most of the cinema processors are from one company now (QSC).
Again, I'm looking forward to seeing the CP950 to see what they came up with and will reserve judgement until I see and hear it. The CP750 doesn't need to apologize to anyone. It had a great feature set for what it is/was. The CP850...well...
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Carsten Kurz
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From: Cologne, NRW, Germany
Registered: Aug 2009
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posted 03-30-2019 01:01 PM
No Harold, that 23" is the shipping box. The device is standard 19".
I could live with one HDMI, but without DTS, it's useless anyway. But, many Bluray players can now decode DTS HD and other formats to LPCM, and, other than through TOSLINK/S/P-DIF on the CP750, that can go into the CP950 through HDMI now uncompromised.
I guess the ATMOS module is just a DSP box, going with the existing AES67 connectivity.
At least it offers internal crossovers and 16 analog outputs to accommodate that option.
The marketing, of course, is smart, because they print ATMOS on a presumably rather cheap box, so cinemas may expect a low cost upgrade path to ATMOS. Quite important now that there will be more competition with the new SMPTE standard. The CP850 was available with a later upgrade path as well, but at a much higher initial price, and lacking loads of other general features.
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