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Bobby Henderson
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I think discount business is up largely because many customers aren't willing to pay a full admission price to see a lot of the crap being released these days. I mean there is a LOT of films out there. When I see a trailer for some film like "Eight Legged Freaks" or "Master of Disguise" I automatically start thinking "wait for the DVD if I even want to see it at all". Many other films are mediocre at best and not worth full admission price. I might gamble a matinee fee for the movie, or if there is a decent bargain house playing it, maybe I'll see it there.

Theaters get clogged with mainstream garbage at the same times every year. Right now we're in one of those blah-quality times. The "summer movie season" seems to start and end earlier every year. For the past few years it has started in early to mid May and fizzled by the end of July. All of August through mid to late September is usually a wasteland of low quality films Hollywood majors are trying to empty off their shelves.

The January-February period is another time which I would call the "holiday hangover" slot. The would be hits from the holiday season have already been released and dropping off in earnings. The oscar-caliber films are in extremely limited release in this time and only platforming to a few other theaters. Some might go wide after the oscar nominations are announced. But you can depend on this particular "season" to deliver a lot of the same terrible quality new releases as what you see in late summer.

The lead up before the summer movie season (April to early May) can also be really bad. Not only do you see low quality releases, but often there are few releases in this period while all the distributors try to "position" the releases of all their intended top-quality summer product.

What ever happened to a Hollywood studio just releasing a great movie whenever it could do so? This "summer movie season" thing really didn't get ingrained into schedules until the 1980's. I seem to recall both "MASH" and "Patton" being released in January of 1970. That wouldn't happen today because the studios think no one is willing to visit a theater in winter. If so, why did "Titanic" rack up most of its sell-out shows and many consecutive number-1 weekends during winter? It may have been released in December of 1997, but it took a lot of the early months of 1998 for it to gather its $600 million domestic gross.

At any rate, Hollywood deserves a lot of blame for the periodic downturns in movie release quality. They could spread a lot of their great releases all throughout other months that normally get overlooked.

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Jesse Skeen
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I have to wonder with the growing amount of in-theatre advertising, if it's reached the point where it's only bringing in enough money to make up for the customers who no longer go to the theatre because of the ads!

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Paul Linfesty
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Its not the ads that are keeping me away (although I dislike them), its the abysmal quality of the films out there and the lack of caring operators that make me want to stay home. I've even given up on seeing art films in LA because of sloppier and sloppier presentations ( I USED to enjoy Landmark theatres in LA, but theyre falling apart).

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Paul Linfesty
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I seem to recall both "MASH" and "Patton" being released in January of 1970.

But this was before the so-called national break became prominent. Patton was a very slowly released roadshow film that would debut over many months. Many moderate-sized cities wouldn't get the film until late summer of 1970. MASH also had a very long roll-out, playing mostly in exclusive engagements in the larger cities. It, too, didnt really go into a multiple theatre release until the fall of 1970.

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Darryl Spicer
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Anything prior to the advent of Video and Calbe tv pay per view can not be used as a real comparison as to how film did business wise. Many factors are taken into account now. Theaters are used now to push the sales of future Video and DVD rentals and sales. Without the theaters generating a notice, even if people don't see the film in the theater, the industry would faulter. You still need movie theaters to generate revenue but it is a huge advertiser for the films when they hit video. If it was big in the theaters it will be huge in the video market.


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Charles Everett
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Last week was the 8th straight that turnout was down compared to 2001. I attribute that to school (all schools have reopened), football and the product out there. Outside of Greek Wedding and One Hour Photo nothing else seemed to be drawing crowds.

At least Fox did a smart thing for this week: Most theaters that were to have gotten The Transporter will get One Hour Photo. That should insure better business compared to the same weekend in 2001.

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Per Hauberg
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Speaking of adds: Anywhere on the web to find examples of the American way of making newpaper adds. -Would really like to see some !

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John Pytlak
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AFAIK, some of the restricted distributor sites for theatre managers have "press ready" copy of newspaper movie ads on-line.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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Mijo Print Technologies handles online Ad Slick distribution for:

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Buck Kolkmeyer
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According to EDI, box office revenues are up 12% through 9/22. Our own circuit is up 19% in revenues this year compared to the same period last year. It took 20.5% more in attendance to hit those numbers, however.

September is up substantially thanks to no Olympics or tragic events.
The weekend of 9/6 the top ten pictures were down 2.53% but 9/13 was up 44.45%, the weekend of the 20th was up 65% and last weekend was up 49%.

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Robert LaValley
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bumping this topic to the top.

I think since gas prices are forcing everything else to raise their prices the summer box office isnt going to be as good as years past even with the movies we have coming out.
Right now I was looking at my theatres numbers compaired to last year and we are down by alot! They are even running discounted first round of shows at $4 dollars a ticket just to try to drum up business.

Is everyone else seeing a downturn in business too? It would seem to me no one has extra money to goto the movies with gas being the way it is. And the summer is not even here yet.

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Darryl Spicer
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Actually movie theatre attendance is doing it's normal thing right now. The thing I see being affected this summer is people doing less long distance driving for liesure purposes like vacations. Eventually this crude oil bubble will bust and prices will fall on oil and gas prices will comedown.

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Ron Funderburg
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Actually the movies this year are no better or worse than previous years the marketing has missed on many films. The high gas prices should have a negative effect on the big city theaters as people may not travel in from the small towns to see the movies. And reversely it may actually help the small town theater do a little better.

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Robert LaValley
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I would think the gas prices will effect all theatres just because of the fact no one really has any money to spend on fun stuff really when food cost so much cuz of gas and everything seems to be going up up up in price, including our concessions and admission prices. Here in orlando I'm seeing a downturn in business. And yes I know this is the "slow season" right now, but it usually isnt this slow.

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