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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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Our DLP setup in Waterloo has one of the biggest APC battery backups available hooked up to it. When the power goes out the battery sends the power outage signal to the server and it pauses the movie until the power comes back on.

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Greg Mueller
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 - posted 07-13-2002 04:58 PM      Profile for Greg Mueller   Author's Homepage   Email Greg Mueller   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"Also, I don't think that Lucas' primary concern on this issue is money."

Wow! Care to elaborate on that "belief" Mike?

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Mike Schindler
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Lucas has always tried to advance film as an art form. He has put a lot of money back into the industry for this very reason. True, he usually makes a lot of money by doing this, as he has with ILM and Skywalker Ranch, but there have been times when he hasn't, such as THE YOUNG INDIANA JONES CHRONICLES. But even when it was pretty damn obvious that that show wasn't going to make its money back, he kept working on it and putting more money into it, because he believed that the filmmaking techniques which were being tested and refined were of value to him as a filmmaker. In recent interviews, he has hinted at wanting to do work like that more than anything else in his career right now. That doesn't seem like the best financial move he could make.

I personally think that he has exercised a lot more restraint than most people in the industry when it comes to exploiting potentially cool things in order to simply make a profit. He didn't have to wait 16 years to make another STAR WARS movie, and he didn't have to do all of the work himself. He could have easily hired a group of hacks to make dozens of STAR WARS movies while he just sat on the Ranch and collected paychecks. He could have also released his movies on DVD without any extras in order to make a quick buck, and then get everyone to buy them again in 4 years with all that extra crap which he's planning. But he didn't do these things, because he cares about quality.

As for his digital fixation, I truly believe that he thinks it's what's best for the industry. He has stated why. His reasoning makes sense. I think he's wrong, but that's just a matter of opinion.

Lucas has done a lot of stupid things in his career. Some of them are unforgivable, like, on a moral level. But his intentions are usually good, and not primarily motivated by money.


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Mike Blakesley
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quote:
He could have easily hired a group of hacks to make dozens of STAR WARS movies while he just sat on the Ranch and collected paychecks.

OK, so he didn't make dozens of movies. The paychecks came from the Star Wars video re-re-releases, games, bedsheets, potato chips, soda cans, toys, posters, records, books-on-tape, theatrical re-issues, etc etc etc not one of which did a damn thing to further the art form.

Not motivated by money, my foot. He's just a greedy gadget freak.

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Greg Mueller
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Mike
Perhaps you should talked to the manger of one of the theaters that has been forced into contracts by El Greedo. Maybe you should review the terms of these totally unreasonable contracts and see if you still think he's not in it for the money. The contracts I'm refering to not only cover the current episode (what ever number it is), but also that last piece of crap he made

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Dave Williams
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This last piece of crap you refer to is called "Attack on my Colon"

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Mike Schindler
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Of course he does things for money. I won't argue that. But he's very hands-off when it comes to the merchandising, and he makes that clear. When it comes to the movies, though, I still say that his intentions are good.

As for the theater terms, I'm not too well-versed in them for this movie, but from what I remember from the last movie, they were unreasonable. But at the same time, a lot of them helped to ensure a better presentation of the film. Either way, it doesn't really matter. Yeah, you're right. He'll try to suck up all of the money that he can. But not at the expense of the art.


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Greg Mueller
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"But he's very hands-off when it comes to the merchandising, and he makes that clear."
Yah right. The evil something or other grand tarken has him in it's power. And I bet you think the teddy bears in Jedi were because he loves animals.

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Bobby Henderson
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Digital projection will only be a grandiose con job as long as people like George Lucas and Texas Instruments sales droids keep using the same UNFAIR comparisons to hock their low res shit.

If they want to run a truly fair comparison they need to take one of those Sony HD cameras and also get a good Panavision or Arri 35mm film camera and shoot some footage of the same exact thing. The film footage should be transferred to a brand new print and played on a film projection setup adjusted to the best possible standards.

That's the ONLY WAY to do a proper video versus film demonstration. Until they do that, putting it bluntly, they are full of shit.

The digital projection people need to shoot for a target matching 35mm film at its very best possible standards. That means a digital projector capable of showing at least 12 million pixels to 24 million pixels for a scope image. And if they want to get into the 5/70mm range, they need to be above 30 million pixels.

Further, videography simply has a much different look to it than film. While HD videography can look very good, it still doesn't look like film. Color gamut is way different and basic things like how depth of field is handled is also much different.

If film companies and filmmakers really care about the highest standards of image quality, they'll at least keep shooting on 35mm film but really ought to consider 8-perf 35mm VistaVision for flat ratio films and 5-perf 65mm/70mm for widescreen. Anything shot on those ultra-high-res film formats is totally "future-proof" against any kind of video format that could be developed for at least the next 50 to 100 years.

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Mike Schindler
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Greg,
I didn't mean to imply that there's some uncontrollable thing which is forcing Lucas to sell Star Wars merchandise against will. It's actually the reverse. For all practical purposes, he has acknowledged that the reason for the merchandise's existence is to make him money. It's not art or anything like that. It's just product.

As for the Ewoks, while they are very marketable to kids, I can see why they were put into the movie from an artistic standpoint. That doesn't mean I like them, just that it makes sense for them to be there.

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Dave Williams
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As it turns out, Sony, and I beleive one other company have new prototypes ready for testing that have 10 million pixels or more, with very deep contrast and color depth.

The more the big wigs push it, the more the electronic companies will provide it.

Either way, film presentation is the only way to go. It's cheap, efficient, and fun. Video is stale, sterile, and costly.

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Hillary Charles
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The debate of Lucas' intentions between art and profits bring to mind one project, "The Star Wars Christmas Special." Anyone lucky(?) enough to remember it (shot on video--maybe THIS was the beginning of his video fixation) must agree that it didn't contribute anything to the art of production techniques.

On a related note; Thus far, the Episode titles (A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, etc.) seem to reflect the view of the "good guys" (rebels). Now, the "Attack of the Clones," taking into context of the story, appears to reflect the viewpoint of the bad guys, otherwise it would have been called "Attack of the Robot Army." Could this be Lucas' subtle attempt to let the rest of us know that he has finally turned to the Dark Side? I apologize if this subject has been broached beforehand.

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Bobby Henderson
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I vaguely remember the "Star Wars Christmas Special." I do remember being rather disappointed by the quality of it --particularly since I cannot remember much from the show. I do recall a memory of Chewbacca knocking a stormtrooper out of a home high up in a tree, but I think that's about it. I remember more about the Boba Fett cartoon.

Anyway, Sony and others are going to continue building much higher resolution CCDs for video cameras --mainly since there is a ton of money to be made by introducing the products in consumer still image cameras and consumer level camcorders. The movie industry and its needs are mere window dressing to the much greater consumer market.

Digital video image capture and non-linear editing/visual effects is going to grow into the next "killer app" for home computer gear. That's really the thing the computer industry needs to pursue to drag their asses out of the doldrums. The Internet and its low-bandwidth nature requires no one to upgrade their hardware at all. The computer industry was really pretty dumb to promote product via that.

Within 10 to 15 years, people will be making home digital videos featuring jaw-dropping sophistication. With proper lighting and composition one will be able to match anything any broadcaster can do today, even in HiDef.

That's the convincing reason for the film industry to keep shooting on film, with the only real change being perhaps moving to larger film gauges and much sharper imagery. VistaVision and 70mm provide that. John Q. Public will be able to make 1080i HD videos with real time CGI. But in 2010 or 2015 he still won't be able to afford to rent a Panavision camera, lens system and a whole damned film crew to get his shots.

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Steve Scott
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I still agree with the school of thought that says film has a "look" that belongs in the cinema, while digital belongs on a small screen. All of the properly cared for prints that I've ran have looked far better than the interlaced digital counterparts. There is simply a depth and atmosphere that a good film image gives that digital can't create.

Lucas needs to take a look at the fact that even with the home video market embracing DVD, the majority of HDTVs have progressive scan pulldown (Or DVD-ROM with it's superior refresh rates). With this technology that makes digital images more "film-like" why is there still an attachment to film? Because movies have a heritage on celluloid.

Lucas and his brainwashed, mind-control legion of directors should focus on making this heritage look as good as it can with film preservation awareness. That and making decent sequels without campy, lifeless dialouge and overrated product placements too.

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John Pytlak
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Mike Morelli, Vice President of Kodak Entertainment Imaging in Hollywood, sent the following letter to the editor of the LA Times:
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To the Editor of the Los Angeles Times,

I’m writing in response to the July 11th article titled “Filming Without the Film: Embraced by some directors and feared by others, high-definition digital cameras are changing the art form”. As the regional Vice President for Eastman Kodak’s Entertainment Imaging division in Hollywood, what surprised me most about the article was its obvious bias.

You stated that the only reason directors or cinematographers don’t shoot with high definition cameras is because they are afraid. Maybe they know something you don’t—that it isn’t about what medium you use but rather how you use the medium. Our industry’s talented cinematographers and directors know exactly the looks they want to generate and know how to get them using all the tools at their disposal. In some cases they may choose to use video (whether 24p or a lesser format) because it has its own unique characteristics. But they don’t confuse video with film—they have completely different looks, which generate unique emotional responses.

Also, to suggest that these talented filmmakers “are passé storytellers—easily replaced with cheaper and more tech-savvy rivals” is quite an insult to artists everywhere working in every field--whether painters, sculptors, musicians or writers. What it comes down to is expressing your vision and effectively communicating it to others.

As a representative from Kodak I wonder why no one took the time to ask us about the significant advances being made in film technology. Kodak has a long heritage working with cinematographers to find ways of developing new tools and pushing technological boundaries. We have developed a wide spectrum of film, digital and hybrid products and services, capitalizing on the best possibilities of these technologies. True artists know how to maximize the attributes of all three types of media to achieve their visions.

Also, to suggest that, in film, cinematography is the art of guessing, is to say that the many masterpieces created by such great cinematographers as Storaro, Zsigmond, Richardson, Hall, Almendros, Poster, Deakins, Wexler, Roizman, Dibie, Willis, Daviau, Kovacs, Toll, Seale… were all due to luck. I would like to hear some of their responses to that claim. These artists take challenges everyday to create their art--they are often the silent heroes behind the films. To suggest that the reason they choose film over 24 p is because they are afraid to take a risk is to fall victim to the hardware manufacturers marketing hype. Let’s all get above that self-serving argument and give cinematographers and directors the credit they have earned as visual story-tellers who aren’t afraid of exploring all possibilities.

Cordially,

Michael J. Morelli
VP & General Manager, Hollywood Region
Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
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