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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 07-15-2002 11:11 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Good letter! Kodak rarely has any opinions on anything (unlike me), but it is nice when they do come out and express themselves.

Yeah. If everyone weren't so afraid, EVERYONE would be shooting in HD right now. Everyone. Yeah.


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Scott Norwood
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Good letter. Let's hope that it (or something similar) gets printed.

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Greg Mueller
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John
Great letter. I'm really glad to see that the "film" industry is starting to fight back.

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Bruce McGee
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Just one question. Who died and put George Lucas in charge?

Was it the Star Wars series? The money? If the Phantom Menace was an example of the new way of doing things, then I'll stick to the old ways.

Bruce

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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 07-16-2002 05:33 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In a sort of offshoot note, I really have to wonder just how reliable current HD 1080i/p gear will be as far as standards go. George Lucas want directors and DPs to drop their film cameras and start taping when the tape format and technology itself isn't stable in terms of market acceptance. Judging by the INSANE moves Hollywood is trying make HD broadcasters and electronics manufacturers make regarding HDTV, they may very well KILL HDTV and all associated technologies if the legislation they want manages to pass.

Just think of it. If you own any current HDTV system sold in the marketplace, you'll only have a grandiose 480p NTSC set when the "5C" copy protection measures are enacted. HBO knows exactly how idiotic this scheme is. They already market tested turning on and off the "broadcast flag" and found they would lose far more in business to lost subscriptions than preventing any kind of piracy. So they keep the flag turned off.

There is a lot more to this controversy than can be mentioned here. But basically Hollywood and its legion of bean counters must be so high on drugs they cannot see the proverbial forest for the trees. In broadcasting, I thought the whole idea was getting as many people as possible to watch your show. So who gives a shit if someone takes a tape of last night's show to their friend's house so they can see it too? I'm lost on that. But apparently Hollywood thinks that is piracy instead of improved ratings and word of mouth. What dumb asses!

So, to get back on topic, there's this whole stupid push for producing feature films in 1080p HD instead of film. Why????? The format is VERY FAR from being stable.

And of course this baloney goes right on top of all the other technical stuff that far favors film imagery over videotape.

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Greg Anderson
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quote:
Just one question. Who died and put George Lucas in charge?

Indeed. There's a lot of talk about this digital "filming" technology and digital projection but, no matter how hard George Lucas has pushed, he is still far out-numbered both on the production and exhbition side by film. And we've all talked until we're blue about how this whole trend will cost lots of money and take lots of time to play out. So why is everyone here acting so frightened? Why would the people at this forum care so much about a hype article in a non-industry publication?

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Greg Mueller
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Because if you tell a lie long and loud enough, it will be accepted as truth

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Dave Williams
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No one here is frightened. We are all prepared to go to war and kick some clone ass.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote:
why is everyone here acting so frightened?

I wouldn't say everyone is frightened. More like "pissed" that all the misinformation is being thrown about like truth, and by one of the world's most powerful directors no less.

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Joe Redifer
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I was going to say the exact same thing Mike said, but he beat me to it. Keep in mind that Greg isn't involved in our industry in any way (he works in TV) so he probably has a totally different perspective.


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Steve Scott
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quote:
Why would the people at this forum care so much about a hype article in a non-industry publication?

Because hype can become public gospel really quickly. Hollywood hype is what sells movies afterall. And there's still a fairly good sampling of John Q. Public doesn't know how a movie is actually transferred on screen. Some people are baffled that the industry still uses film. There are still enough people out there, beyond this forum, who want to keep film alive for some time to come. Not just film handlers with a job on the line. (myself included)


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Greg Anderson
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Um... Joe. I work on feature films too (I hate to drop names but since my reputation is being knocked by you, perhaps I should mention a little movie called The Hulk which I worked on last week). Keep in mind that a lot of people on this forum have never worked on the production side of feature film work... or television shows which are shot on film. No matter what a hype article says or whether the public doesn't realize they're still watching films, this is not forcing filmmakers to switch to digital in massive numbers. The people who actually run those cameras and direct that cinematography aren't easily swayed by the hype which is created by and aimed at non-technical people.

...or perhaps the production side of movie making is not involved with your industry in any way.


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Michael Barry
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I sense that in the post-mortem of Ep.II and the severe lack of digital projectors out there in comparison to film projectors (compared to the numbers anticipated by Lucasfilm, for example) there is going to be a sort of lull, a distinct lack of motivation for theatres to install d-projectors.

Prior to Ep.III being released, there will be zero push for theatres to install them. Even when Ep.III is imminent - by which time this issue will no doubt flare up again - there will be theatre owners who will remember how Ep.II lasted 5 weeks and wont worry about 'upgrading' at all.

My money is on that Ep.III will be released in the vast majority of theatres on film. Maybe there will be over 100 d-projectors by then, maybe not. Maybe there will be a better model available that TI/JVC or whoever will want to test in the field, thereby increasing numbers. Those theatres stuck with the old models will be just that: stuck with them.

Here's my speculation for the future of cinema: d-cinema won't happen en masse. It is the paperless office all over again. Remember how absolutely convinced everyone was that that was going to happen? Have we forgotten exactly how convinced? Yet, it didn't happen. In my opinion, neither will this. There are very sound business reasons - as we all know - why this is so.

Of course, I could be completely wrong. If so, I will gladly stay away from theatres and watch an affordable HD-DLP projector at home, and why shouldn't I?

Regarding acquisition, Bobby is right: why film in HD video instead of film?


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John Pytlak
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Eric Rodli, the President of Kodak Entertainment Imaging, has also written a letter:
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July 16, 2002

To the Editor of The Los Angeles Times:

I was disappointed when I read the front-page article headlined “Filming Without the Film” in the July 11 issue of The Los Angeles Times. The story proclaimed that the careers of directors who can’t make the “transition” to digital cameras are “threatened.” It used the word “fear” to explain why they aren’t using digital cameras and predicted they will be “left behind.”

I can’t imagine the directors and cinematographers I have been privileged to meet “blanching” because a misstep with new technology could tarnish their careers, or that they “cross their fingers and pray” that there are no mistakes while waiting for dailies. I am not going to respond to all of the marketing rhetoric your story misrepresents as fact. The filmmakers you have offended are articulate artists who are capable of speaking for themselves. I am sure you will hear from many of them.

However, I am surprised and disappointed that your reporters didn’t call me or anyone on my staff before they reached their conclusions about the future of imaging technology. Kodak has been the world-class leader in providing imaging technologies for the motion picture industry since 1889 when Thomas Edison wrote a letter to George Eastman telling him about the prototype camera and projector his lab was developing.

From that day forward, we have consistently directed our research and development efforts to provide the film, and more recently, digital and hybrid (combining film and digital technologies) motion imaging tools our customers tell us they need to advance their art form. The truth is no one knows exactly what the future will bring, but I can assure you that today’s film and digital imaging technologies are fundamentally different in the same way that acrylic and water paints are different. Film has a unique capacity for recording nuances in colors, textures and tonal ranges that are an important part of the language of visual storytellers.

It is our experience that directors and cinematographers make informed decisions regarding choice of media based on how it serves the emotional tones of their stories. It is also our experience that they are fearless in their willingness to embrace and test the possibilities of any new imaging technologies.

I don’t think it is possible to undo the false impressions you have created, but I hope you will try. You will have the complete cooperation of our scientists and research staff. More importantly, I urge you to contact Steven Poster, ASC, president of the American Society of Cinematographers, and George Spiro Dibie, ASC, national president of the International Cinematographers Guild. You owe that much to the artists you have offended and also to your readers who deserve the truth.

Cordially,
Eric Rodli
President
Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company

CC: Steven Poster, ASC and George Spiro Dibie, ASC, letters@latimes.com

_____________________________________________________________________

Steven Poster, President of the ASC, has also written a letter of protest to the bias of the LA Times article, posted on the Cinematography Mailing List (CML).

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
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Dave Williams
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Hey Greg, congrats on working on The Hulk. What exactly is it that you do when working on projects like The Hulk?

Dave

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