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Author Topic: Grosses for Fahrenheit 9/11 - 350 Million+ US, 600 Million+ Overseas Mike Williams Master Film Handler Posts: 255 From: Knoxville, TN Registered: Feb 2002 posted 05-20-2004 06:23 AM                     I think KD is on to something.... I am suprised the Democrats have not yet taken a cue from Passion and started buying out entire screenings to get people in the theaters to see that movie... but then it still could happen. Just wait until we get closer to election time. If that happened, while I doubt $350M domestically, it would do much more than Bowling for Columbine.  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Fuentes Mmmm, Dr. Pepper! Posts: 1168 From: Corpus Christi, TX United States Registered: Jan 2004 posted 05-20-2004 06:40 AM                     So are the democrats also spending money on buying out theaters overseas, because KD predicted 600 million overseas.  |  IP: Logged Richard Greco Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1180 From: Plant City, FL Registered: Nov 2003 posted 05-20-2004 08:09 AM                     If you don't live in the US then you can't bitch about politics here. KD you arent a democrat or a republican since you don't live here. I hope a mod comes soon and shuts this down b/c this isnt a forum for politics....The mods shut down a forum like that a little while ago. If this movie even makes more than BFC it won't be by much.  |  IP: Logged Kamakshipalya Dhananjay Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Bangalore, India Registered: Aug 2002 posted 05-20-2004 08:52 AM                     Politics strictly prohibited here! And to accusations flowing left and right on this post, I have one word for them - continue. And my discussion was and continues to be apolitical. It was a business forecast and a study of numbers and remember, numbers have nothing political about them. The biggest international territories in order of expected grosses for this film will be (however, it should be obvious to anybody that the interest from the Muslim World will be somewhat unprecedented or severe): United Kingdom - The opposition in the UK to the coalition with the US over Iraq is mounting by the day - in fact, it is the strongest ever. Even assuming US is out of Iraq by the time this movie releases there, the second largest interest and enthusiasm (or concern) in the world for this film will emanate from that territory. The press and the media in the UK seem to have shown far greater interest already in this film than one would anticipate. In fact, practically every electronic news organisation there has updated itself with all the latest information about Fahrenheit 911. Take it or leave it, UK will be huge and I mean, it will be unprecedented. Further, if the movie is going to be huge in UK and is going to get all the attention of the media there, something could stir elsewhere - you see, BBC is widely broadcast over most Arab nations, China and most parts of Asia. Of course, you would know that China does not permit satellite reception of CNN by its people. The only international news organisation they trust is the BBC and BBC also happens to be the trusted news organisation in the Middle East. And in India, a recent survey ranked BBC as the most respected and trusted newschannel in the Country. And if BBC evinces enough interest in this film, you can be certain that, in addition to what the local news media in many such countries disclose, the hype around this film could reach a 'fever pitch'. And I will talk later about other major territories like : France Germany Japan Spain South Korea Australia China and of course, India And half of a billion Muslim population in the world have access to Hollywood offerings officially, meaning, they could become fervent audiences for this film in a manner that the revenues generated thereon could reach legal owners of the Copyright works. In this case, Fahrenheit 9/11. I will elaborate later.  |  IP: Logged Pravin Ratnam Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 844 From: Atlanta, GA,USA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 05-20-2004 09:02 AM                     I can guarantee that it won't do that much business in India. And I don't think the democrats are going to benefit from this movie as much because it will just preach to the converted. I think the problem with this thread is not the politics as they are intertwined with the subject of the doc, but the inane projections which have no basis in any kind of reality. KD's projections are like a running joke here. I look forward to his projections on a possible Gigli's rerelease numbers. I just wish some other filmmaker with a more objective view made this movie as I feel the issues this documentary deals with are very valid. Bowling for Columbine was pretty good in parts, but it messed it up at the end with a cheap shot at Charlton Heston which was not necessary to make Moore's points. And 25 minute standing ovation at Cannes. Pure crap. 25Min is a LONG time. I doubt it was even 10 minutes. Just try clapping and hollering for 10 minutes in a row.  |  IP: Logged Kamakshipalya Dhananjay Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Bangalore, India Registered: Aug 2002 posted 05-20-2004 09:15 AM                     Lets say, when the reckoning comes, I was wrong all along. So what ? I do not understand how this thread is more ridiculous than the one on 'PASSION'. And why should anybody be desperate here to claim this whole thing is 'ridiculous' ? Why not let time decide if it was ? Before accusing me of anything at all, I might like to ask people to examine their own anger over this thread. And if you really believe this is 'ridiculous' or an 'outright waste of your time', please feel free to skip this thread if you have nothing constructive to offer. And please do not seek that every member in these forums be in perfect agreement with everyone else. And I have read the rules for posts and I can confidently state that nothing that I have said here violates anything the rules stipulate. Likewise, I also wish that others will not render this thread any more political than I indicate by my words. And mine have and continue to be apolitical. And I wish to see the same of others.  |  IP: Logged Gerard S. Cohen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 975 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 05-20-2004 09:19 AM                     The use of "KD" as abbreviation for "Kamakshipalya Dhananjay" has me wondering whether it's from laziness or confusion with the meanings of "KD" in a) shipping: KD = Knocked Down (partially disassembled) or b) pugilism: KD = Knocked Down (but not unconscious, which would be "KO'd.") [I mean no disrespect; it takes this old head a while to welcome new meanings for old abbreviations.]  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Fuentes Mmmm, Dr. Pepper! Posts: 1168 From: Corpus Christi, TX United States Registered: Jan 2004 posted 05-20-2004 09:52 AM                     KD, what is everyone accusing you of? I think they are merely stating that your predictions are somewhat ridiculous. The reason I put they, is because I am no longer going to argue/discuss film grosses with you, because you like to make changes in your predictions once you feel you might be wrong, and you ignored my statement about the difference between North American box office and foreign box office. There is no difference, all the money ends up in the same place. Like I said before, good luck with the rest of your predictions.  |  IP: Logged Greg Anderson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 766 From: Ogden Valley, Utah Registered: Nov 1999 posted 05-20-2004 10:40 AM                        Any time you predict such high box office numbers for a movie, KD, you sound more like a cheerleader for that movie than an objective observer of box office trends. And it's very difficult to discuss the work of Michael Moore without implying details about one's own political ideology. Michael Moore knows how to polarize an audience and he loves to make other people argue. Look at what he's doing right here... and most of us haven't even seen his movie!  |  IP: Logged Pravin Ratnam Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 844 From: Atlanta, GA,USA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 05-20-2004 01:58 PM                     quote: Kamakshipalya Dhananjay I do not understand how this thread is more ridiculous than the one on 'PASSION'. Which is more believable? 100M in 5 days for Passion or 350M total gross for a documentary, let alone a documentary in blue state red state country from a filmmaker half the country tunes out. I personally am looking forward to seeing it as I distrust our current government. So it's not about us being on the opposite sides of the political spectrum. KD, when you were criticized in the Passion thread, it was for the way you were conducting that discussion like you had something personal at stake, not for your prediction of 400M plus. It was weird that you had this obsession for a movie you didn't even see. But at least your projections were not outlandish. But in this thread, you are getting more personal attacks because it is not just the manner, but the way you were blissfully oblivious to how ridiculous your projections are. Also since the Passion thread, another thing to consider are the offbase projections you had about other movies.  |  IP: Logged Kamakshipalya Dhananjay Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Bangalore, India Registered: Aug 2002 posted 06-02-2004 01:25 PM                     Admitting... my projections for other films have tumbled. Yet, with the announcement now that the film will hit theatres on June-25, I guess nobody will see any harm in resuming this thread. Fahrenheit 9/11 to Open Nationally on June 25th PR with contacts The coalition of the willing is hopeful that they will ensure a grassroots distribution strategy. So, I think we must prepare for a rehash of PASSION. Will Chomsky get to see the film as part of the coalition's strategy ? If the distributors are serious about distribution in India, they should get people like Arundati Roy to see and speak about the film.  |  IP: Logged Rob Butler Film Handler Posts: 91 From: Westford, MA, USA Registered: Mar 2004 posted 06-02-2004 01:30 PM                     According to michaelmoore.com, it's opening nationwide on Friday June 25th, I haven't been able to find out who's distributing it, I don't think it's Miramax.  |  IP: Logged Ron Keillor Expert Film Handler Posts: 166 From: Vancouver, B.C. Canada Registered: Jul 2003 posted 06-02-2004 02:40 PM                     New York Times.... Canadian Studio Plans to Distribute Moore's 9/11 Film By SHARON WAXMAN Published: June 2, 2004 OS ANGELES, June 1 - The independent studio Lions Gate Films will distribute Michael Moore's documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11," which has gained wide notice for its critique of President Bush and was spurned for distribution by the Walt Disney Company. It will be released on June 25 in about 1,000 theaters. IFC Entertainment is putting up 25 percent of the theatrical distribution costs, which could range from $8 million to $10 million, said executives involved in the deal. Showtime, which already has a deal in place with Lions Gate, will show the film on pay cable. Harvey and Bob Weinstein, co-chairmen of Miramax, privately acquired the film last week from Disney after Disney instructed them not to distribute the film because of its political nature. Advertisement The film is critical of Mr. Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq and details the Bush family's ties to powerful Saudi families like the bin Ladens. The film won the top prize at the Cannes Film Festival last month. Big studios like Warner Brothers and Paramount shied away from distributing the film, according to several people close to the negotiations. Focus Features, the Universal studio owned by General Electric, was heavily involved in the bidding, but Robert C. Wright, G.E.'s vice chairman, was called to ensure there would not be a conflict, they said. Ultimately, the Weinsteins struck a deal with Lions Gate, a studio based in Canada that has distributed Miramax movies that have proved controversial in the past. Jon Feltheimer, the chief executive of Lions Gate, said: "We're distributing this movie because we think it's a good movie, and a good piece of business. We don't shy away from those kinds of controversies, but we're certainly sensitive to it." Mr. Moore said he was surprised it had taken this long to find a distributor, even after winning the Palme d'Or at Cannes. "I thought we'd have a distributor within a week," he said. Because of Disney's rejection of the film, Harvey Weinstein wanted as many companies involved in distributing the film as possible, according to people involved with negotiating the distribution deal.  |  IP: Logged Dave Williams Wet nipple scene Posts: 1836 From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 06-03-2004 01:38 PM                        quote: Pravin Ratnam I personally am looking forward to seeing it as I distrust our current government. MEE TOO! I hate our current government! We should band together and overthrow it, burn both the flag and the constitution, kill everyone we hate because we are better than them, and name Mikey Moore as our new king, because there is just something about fat bearded slobs that never bathe that make me want riot and pillage anything or anyone that may at anytime ever said anything positive about something that mr. moore hates. OR..... Perhaps I am bieng ultra cynical and after having to take a month break that I really did not want to take, and coming back here to see politics once again rear its ugly head and risk our family go toe to toe again over something as silly as what kind of government we have or who runs it, or who makes movies about it, or who gives a flying rats ass! This movie will do real good busisness for the following reasons... 1. Disney INTENTIONALLY went public with thier distaste for political fare in an election year, so as to guage and build interest in the future project, not for thier own interests, but for the interests of thier business partners, the wiensteins. 2. Now that hype has built for the movie that DISNEY DID NOT WANT YOU TO SEE, lions gate will open this picture on 1000 screens. The marketing campaign will reflect the disney angle, as it was all preordained in lala land. 3. People of all political persuasions will flock to the film, as it is also using a title reference to a famous book and movie about book burning and ultra government control. 4. Besides that this movie will probably be moores worst effort to date, as even he states he set out to make a movie that was a political attack that was only one sided, with one singular intention. It will inflame one side, and enrage another. Something that any good money maker does. My prediction is that it will gross 27 million in its first fever pitched week, followed by six or seven weeks in lower figures, leveling out at just above 65 million domestic. I am rarely wrong on these issues. I used to be forced to watch 30 movies a week on video to guage thier rental potential and purchase copies based on my evaluations for a 30 store chain. I am rarely wrong on these issues. This will be moores biggest return, but his worst work, mainly because he has no independant perspective on the subject matter at hand, like he did with bowling for columbine. I am all for the discussions of how a political movie will fare and for what reasons, but to use the debate as a way to start arguing politics makes me wonder why the hell does anyone bother to show up for work? Aaaaugh! I should have stayed in bed this month and not bothered to venture back to the keyboard. Ciao Dave  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 06-03-2004 01:56 PM                        Welcome back, Dave -Claude  |  IP: Logged

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