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Zach McQuaid
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 - posted 10-21-2004 11:59 AM      Profile for Zach McQuaid   Email Zach McQuaid   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brent said:

"My opinion is that there is no place for a union and that it's the union that has ruined cinema for us all today. A true projectionist loves what he does and not just for the money."

People generally don't work just for the fun of it. If you do, then you're extremely special (or have someone else pay your bills) Unless I'm a lottery winner, or just bored out of my tree, I'm not working for crap wages, I don't care how much I loved it when I was 18 into my early 20's)

My presentations were very respectful at all times, and I gave my company twice back in good work than what I was ever paid. Is that fair? Sure, for the boss. For me? No. I loved the profession, but I still left it when I realized I could work just about anywhere for more money.

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Jeremy Fuentes
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So are you saying that when I (or anyone else my age) get older, it would be better for us to get out of this profession? At least financially. I'm sure some of the techs and owners on this site are doing very well financially, and they love their jobs. While they might not be doing extremely well, to work in a profession you love should make up the difference. I'm at a point right now where I'm wondering whether I should step away from this profession to make more money, to take care of my responsibilities with just one job, rather than the two I have now, or stick with it, and hope something better comes along in the same line of work. Any ideas?

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Paul Mayer
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From what I've seen so far, this industry isn't a very good provider if you're at the floor or booth level. So to stay in this business and make enough to raise a family you'd have to go into management (at least DM and above) or into some form of engineering/technical work. Also, working for yourself seems to be a better route towards self-satisfaction and a comfortable lifestyle than taking a salary from any theater company these days.

It's tough when you fall in love with a field that just doesn't pay the bills and has a long "dues paying" stage. If you really love it you'll stay and somehow the money will follow (or you'll learn to be happy on what you make in that field). Otherwise there are any number of other fields that use the same starting set of people and technical skills and pay much better to start and over the long run.

In my case I was spoiled early on by high wages in other fields. As a union stagehand/projectionist/TV engineer I made enough money to pay for college and flight training and still live well. Later, as an aerospace engineer--even as the junior grunt in my department--I made far more money than any theater manager, most district managers, or even most chief pilots. So when it finally came time for me to try and fly for a living I found I just couldn't do it--I thought the wages and conditions were an insult. I feel that way about theater wages too, which is why I know I'll never work for a regular movie theater again. And I really liked projection and flying work. Just not enough to be happy with what those jobs pay now.

Now, as a part-time college aviation instructor, I live the life of a homeless person on food stamps. Which is OK--I love what I'm doing at the moment. But the money will never follow and I can't go on living like this indefinitely. The problem for me is I now have no idea of what I want to do next, and advancing age has already limited my options. Finding a true calling at this point in life is hard!

Jeremy whatever you decide to do, make sure it's something that you truly truly love. Just liking it is not good enough. One way or the other the money will follow if you truly love what you do. Working at a high-paying job that you're not enthusiastic about just leads to misery for yourself and everyone around you, not to mention poorer mental and physical health. Find something you love.

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Jason Black
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quote: Gordon McLeod
If there is a collective agreement signed between the owners and operatorsthat specifies that operators don't carry the film to the booth then that manager would be in contravence of the agreement and could be subject to dismissal or disipline Just as a union memeber must liveup to the terms of an agreement so must management and others governed by it
The way I see it, it is the operator/projectionist/booth personell/what-the-hell-ever-the-company-wants-to-call-them 's JOB to handle FILM. Film comes in CANS. Said individuals should handle the CANS of FILM, contracts be damned.

I agree with the whole prima donna *insert title* here comment above... [Roll Eyes]

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Gordon McLeod
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"contracts be damned"
The last manager that actually said that at a grievance found his district manager escorted him out of the building faster than greased lightning
a manager is an employee just like everyone else and has to carry out there dutys under the guidlines of what there supervisors have agreed to

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Jason Black
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Gordon,

While I understand the brevity and candor in your statements, I simply can not empathize with anyone who calls themselves and OPERATOR or PROJECTIONIST when they will not carry films cans up the stairs.

Contract negotiations carried on and set forth that outline such a ludicrous policy make me wonder not only about union management, but upper level theatre management as well.

Then again, as you all may have deduced, I often wonder about upper level management anyway... [Confused]

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Dustin Mitchell
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The problem with the union/management relationship is that it was/is a confrontational one. Things like who carries the film to the booth should not have to be written into a contract, that is just silly. The environment that led to such things being legally codified in a contract is what is responsible for the antagonistic atmosphere between the union/management.

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Jeremy Fuentes
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Thanks for the advice Paul.

quote: Paul Mayer
make sure it's something that you truly truly love
Well, its definitely something that I love. I wouldnt have stuck around as long as I have. I've already made alot of sacrifices to stay in this field. I quit a better paying job to get back into the business, and I turned down a better paying job to stay in the business. I just hope it all pays off, and I'm not just wasting my time.

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Bill Gabel
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Theatre chains are never going to pay their employees their true worth. They are just going to give you more work and special job titles and a few more pennies an hour. And the truth is you can't make a real living on what they really pay without working a few extra jobs to make ends meet.

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John Pytlak
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Unfortunately, the job market in the USA today is [thumbsdown] . My younger daughter just received her Masters in Italian after spending a year in Florence Italy, and has a Bachelors in Italian and French. Very high GPA and great references. Yet, her likely job in the near term will be working part time (without benefits) at a travel agency, AFTER taking needed 12 additional credit hours of travel-industry courses at a community college. Engineers in my neighborhood who got downsized from various companies have been looking for career employment and a living wage for over a year.

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Steve Guttag
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John, I'm curious...is part of the employment problem an unwillingness to relocated or just that there are no jobs anywhere in the US for those engineers or language specialists?

Steve

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John Pytlak
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quote: Steve Guttag
is part of the employment problem an unwillingness to relocated or just that there are no jobs anywhere in the US for those engineers or language specialists?

My daughter sent resumes across the country, from Boston to LA. The CIA and NSA recruited at Middlebury College, and hired almost everyone that was proficient in a Middle Eastern or Asian language, but most of the other more common language majors ended up going on for a PhD., since language-related careers requiring "only" a language Masters were scarce, or were short-term contract work (e.g., document translation). Even high school language teaching would require another degree for certification, and not that many high schools teach Italian. For now, she feels a need for a good job, and not more years of school.

My neighbors hoped to stay in upstate NY, as the wives' established careers were what was keeping them afloat. One guy worked for Corning, one for Xerox, another for Kodak. In today's lousy job market, pulling up stakes and having a couple both try to establish new careers across the country and raise a family is risky.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: John P.
My younger daughter just received her Masters in Italian after spending a year in Florence Italy, and has a Bachelors in Italian and French. Very high GPA and great references. Yet, her likely job in the near term will be working part time (without benefits) at a travel agency, AFTER taking needed 12 additional credit hours of travel-industry courses at a community college.
Assuming that your daughter knew that was the exact type of education she wanted to persue a known goal in life, after she had gotten it was she not able to see that through to an end for some reason? What prevented her fomr doing so....

With that type of education I would think that she would have wanted to be a language translator or a foreign language teacher.... or something down that line of work.....

While we all want to accomplish great things and be able do what we want one has to realize there is the real world out there that one has to fit into somehow, someplace... within reason.

I think that engineering types need to be able to be flexible in where they can re-locate to for the best opportunitities available. Sure, thats a grim fact(sometimes) but its more realistic to live some place else carry on your career and be employed. If they are indebeted to stay "family flexible" then they may have to flip burgers for a living till something else comes up.

Mark

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Darren Solomon
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An update to my pay rate, today is payday at Loews, and my pay rate is STILL at $9.75 per hour..I'm supposed to be $10.00 per hour because I was reviewed and aproved for my raise on Sept 13th. So, I'm missing the correct pay rate and about $37.00 from my paycheck. Does anyone know the next logical step to possibly resolve this with management and corporate? Thanks..

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David Yauch
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Have a chat with whomever is designated as an HR rep. If they don't know what's going on then talk to the highest manager in the building. If you still don't get an answer, there should definately be an HR person at your corporate office who can give you answers. Just keep climbing the chain until you find something.

I know with some companies it takes a while for raises to go through(a month or more), but you will receive retro-active payment for all the hours worked at your former rate which should've been paid at your current rate. This is how it was with my first pay raise as theatre floorstaff, but not when I was actually promoted.

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