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System Notices
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Ramin Hashemi
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This post has not had a comment for a while. So I have a question to ask:

People do not seem to be happy with their compensation. There are a lot of ads for help wanted theatre managers. I have had an add for a tri-plex manager up for a while with no reply. If typical theatre managers get $8/hr-$9/hr, I know we pay substantially more for someone with experience. And overtime to boot.

So why is it that people are not happy with their salary, but do not look at alternatives?

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Monte L Fullmer
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Eight to Nine bucks to exist in So.Cal? How can one even think on surviving on that wage, if anywhere?

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Christopher Crouch
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
Eight to Nine bucks to exist in So.Cal? How can one even think on surviving on that wage, if anywhere?

That's one of the reasons it's extremely difficult to "find good help" for theatres in So Cal (from staff to senior management). The theatre industry, in general, doesn't pay competitive wages for the southern California market. I interview assistant manager candidates, who come from outside the industry, that are accustom to recieving the kind of compensation we pay GMs. I regularly encounter staff applicants that are looking for the kind of rates we pay assistant managers. Throw in our non traditional work hours and you have an even less desirable package. On top of all that, there is practically a theatre on every corner, dividing up the few interested candidates among far too many theatres. It's a problem that has only been growing worse (i.e. the industry hasn't been keeping pace with So Cal's workforce expectations).

When I first entered the industry, management was full of "career people" and there were plenty of staff members that considered the possibilty of making the theatre industry a career, or at least a long term employment option. These days, I'm lucky if I can keep someone around for a year.

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Scott D. Neff
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But if I've done my internet research, Ramin's theatre isn't located in metropolitan areas of Southern California. Isn't it out in the desert? You'd think that cost of living, while still high, would be enough to let somebody enjoy working $8-$9 as a full time gig.

Though it may just be the marketing of it. Try offering $10 and people think they're being paid in gold sometimes.

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Ramin Hashemi
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you are correct Scott. Cost of living is low in our area.

Also, the $8-$9 is what I see people saying they are making (which I mentioned is low). We pay well over the $10 mark you mentioned to start. Once the probation period is over, and we know they can handle the job, I can see the manager making over $30k. Then there is additional bonuses to add to the equation. So if anyone knows someone who is interested, please let me know - allstarcinemas@yahoo.com. thanks

Brad - sorry if this is starting to look like it is in the wrong forum

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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This topic is going nowhere. Why, you ask? Because every area of the country has different cost of living expenses. Hense, wages in higher cost of living areas will be higher, and conversely so.

The bottom line is that the industry no longer pays a "salary" for "projectionist" that is enough to make a decent living. At one time it did. I speak from experience.

In 1970, I was teaching high school and making $7,000 for a ten month job. I had a masters degree and three years of experience. That summer, I worked as a projectionist in a booth where the union contract called for $125 a week (40 hr week with time and a half thereafter). That translates into $6500 a year (without overtime) for a 12 month position.

So, are those two jobs comperable circa 1970? Damn near, if you do the math and figure that there is always overtime in the projectionist's job.

Now go to the present. That same teaching job in my area of the country (comperable with three years of experience) pays about $45,000 a year. Are you going to tell me that a projection position pays anywhere near that? NO WAY!

Bottom line is that a booth position in my area of the country is good for a second job at best. There is no way you could make a career out of it and raise a family.

Aside from the folks on this forum who give a rat's ass about what they do, it is difficult if not impossible to get qualified personnel to work in projection. The industry just will not pay a decent wage, and they wind up getting what they pay for in scratched prints and rotten presentations.

I'm talking about the norm, because there are always exceptions to the rule.

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Monte L Fullmer
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At one time in a post here on FT, a FT member, Sam Chavez said it in a nutshell, and I'll paraphrase on what he was coming across since I can't quote on what he said:

Basically, the cinema world is heading towards the "Wal-Mart" kind of work force. And those projectionists with a technical bent (being tekkies..) are the ones who will really succeed in this "Wal-Mart" cinema world.

Thus, the majority of the circuits nowadays don't even have in their job classification being of the "projectionist." You're either a floor-staff employee, "Usher-B's" or just member of management to operate a booth.

Thus, the majority of the projectionists, who wanted to stay in this cinema business advanced themselves into management positions since they knew that their positions were going to be extinct as the dinosaur.

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Ramin Hashemi
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ok, lets approach this another way.

Cost of living can usually be judged by housing costs. A nice 3 bedroom condo in our area runs $750 or less. 2 bedroom apartments runs $650 or less, depending on newness. Not as nice places run less.

Given that, what is a fair compensation for a manager of a small theater? Assuming overtime and bonuses are paid.

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David Zylstra
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So called "experts" say housing should be 30-35% of your net pay . . . . . based on $650 the take home would need to be just about $1,800 per month, or net of about $22,000/yr - about $27,000-$30,000 gross, based on 40 hrs that's about $13.50-$14.00/hr . . . . . personally I would calculate a living wage based on 40 hrs since overtime would be the first thing cut in a budget crunch . . . . . .

Of course the above hourly wage is ballpark and how far over/under you pay depends on the applicant's qualities . . . . their incentive to stay depends on advancement opportunities and/or benefits offered.

To answer your first question - I may not have always been happy with my salary in the early years of my career, but I never looked for another job because I loved what I did and I had a good chance to advance in the company because we were growing (I went from head proj of one building to doing service/installs to being director of IT over a 10 year period).

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Ramin Hashemi
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Thank David - about what I was figuring.

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Chad M Calpito
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At my theatre, currently, I am making $8.15/hour, which is peanuts. Even though that is low, especially with my many years of experience, I still love what I do. I hope that when the new company officially moves in next month that I will get at least some decent pay raise. But, I won't get my hopes up too much, though. [Smile]

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Ramin Hashemi
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what are your responsibilities Chad?

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Chad M Calpito
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My primary responsibility is running the Projection Booth at the Grossmont Center 10 and at the Gaslamp Stadium 15 when needed. Plus, I am the GC 10 main movie builder. On occassion, I'll even change out Xenon Bulbs when they need replacing. Very rarely do I work on the floor (meaning, being scheduled for a floor position).

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Bill Gabel
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The only way you're going to make any money in the booth is not working in a regular movie theatre. The chains will not pay what you are worth. You would have to work special venue type theatres to make money.

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