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Jim Ziegler
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So doctors should not be allowed to go to movies? A lot of them that I know are on call 24/7. They also switch the phone to vibrate when in a theatre. What about computer systems engineers who may be on call? What about booth engineers? As a GM, I am on call 24/7, should I not be allowed to go watch a movie during operating hours?

Some people behave badly.. But, that is not a reason to deny those who are following the rules. Honestly, this "solution" is akin to gagging all customers because a couple of them wont shut up. If you have a problem with people on cell phones in your complex, I would suggest monotoring the auditoriums and dealing with the offenders individually.

As for the personal cell phone jammers - such an item would be a violation of FCC regs in the US...

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Kyle McTague
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What about the people who leave their phone on vibrate and then quietly go to the lobby if they get a call that they feel they need to take. does this really bother other moviegoers?? I rarely have problems with people on cell phones but then i'm sure there's a lot of occurances that i'm not aware of

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Ramin Hashemi
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I agree with Kyle and Jim. I try to sit at the end of a row near an exit so I would not bother anyone if I need to take a call. With my phone on vibrate, and stepping out quietly, I hope I am not disturbing anyone.

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Mark J. Marshall
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quote: Jim Ziegler
So doctors should not be allowed to go to movies?
No, they can go, but they should entend the same courtesy to me that I extend to them. I turn off my phone, and I expect them to do the same. Don't give me this crap about being on call. How did these people get by before there were cell phones and pagers?? Have some freakin courtesy, or yes, stay the hell home.
quote: Jim Ziegler
If you have a problem with people on cell phones in your complex, I would suggest monotoring the auditoriums and dealing with the offenders individually.
How the HELL do you propose a multiplex do that??
quote: Jim Ziegler
Honestly, this "solution" is akin to gagging all customers because a couple of them wont shut up.
Actually, what I do in that situation is crank the movie up so loud that you can't hear the person next to you anymore. No one seems to mind it when I do that. In fact, I've gotten a few "thank you"s.

But come to think of it, you might be on to something...
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As for the personal cell phone jammers - such an item would be a violation of FCC regs in the US...
Yeah you're right. I wonder how much of a pain in the ass it will be to catch someone who has one. Especially when it looks like a phone.

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Gordon McLeod
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Again I guess part of the issue is being on call mens one shouldn't be any place they can't get to the trouble sight imediately without disturbing others taken to an extreme that computor engineer should be able to use his cell phone when visiting a hospital or on an aircraft (now then that could endager lives as they can interferre with other equipment)

It would be interesting to see how it would playout if one clearley posted that the phones would be blocked and as a condition of entrance to the private property you consent to that would stand up

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Jim Ziegler
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quote: Mark J. Marshall
No, they can go, but they should entend the same courtesy to me that I extend to them. I turn off my phone, and I expect them to do the same. Don't give me this crap about being on call. How did these people get by before there were cell phones and pagers?? Have some freakin courtesy, or yes, stay the hell home.

My guess would be that medical service was not as good.. Hell, how did these people get by before cars too? It's called progress.. If someone standing up to leave, regardless of the reason (vibrating cell phone or overactive bladder) bothers you so much, perhaps it is YOU that should not be out in public.

quote: Mark J. Marshall
How the HELL do you propose a multiplex do that??
Umm... I don't know... How about scheduling an usher to walk auditoriums.. It's pretty easy to tell if someone is talking on thier phone.

quote: Mark J. Marshall
Yeah you're right. I wonder how much of a pain in the ass it will be to catch someone who has one. Especially when it looks like a phone.

Well, if I ever catch someone using one against me, they will have a pain in the ass when they drop the soap in the county lockup..

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Mark J. Marshall
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quote: Jim Ziegler
If someone standing up to leave, regardless of the reason (vibrating cell phone or overactive bladder) bothers you so much, perhaps it is YOU that should not be out in public.
First of all, people who need to get up and quietly excuse themselves to go to the rest room don't bother me because they are usually quiet and discreet about it. I don't even mind them stepping over me if they're quiet about it. People who talk in a movie theater while the movie is running do bother me. And people with cell phones - even when they are on vibrate - ANSWER the phone and start talking while they make their way to the lobby, which is what makes it grossly inconsiderate and obnoxious as hell.

Now if you're suggesting that individuals who receive a call quietly and discreetly get up and excuse themselves, and wait till they get out of earshot of everyone who paid $10 to watch the movie BEFORE they start talking or making noise, then ok. And yes, I admit, that means they will probably have to call the person back because they won't make it to the lobby before the voice mail picks up. Yes, that's called courtesy, and if you suggest people do that, then fine. I'll go along with it. But you know something? That'll never happen.
quote: Jim Ziegler
Umm... I don't know... How about scheduling an usher to walk auditoriums.. It's pretty easy to tell if someone is talking on thier phone.
Oh yeah, that'll work.
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Well, if I ever catch someone using one against me, they will have a pain in the ass when they drop the soap in the county lockup..
Good luck triangulating which pocket the signal is coming from in a crowded movie theater.

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Mike Blakesley
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Doctors could use the old tried and true system: They tell the office or hospital they're going to the movies, then when they get to the theatre they tell the managment they are in auditorium so-and-so, and if a call comes in, the manager gets the doc out of the theatre and to the phone. We have done it this way at this theatre for oh about 25 years (as long as I've been here) and it works fine. Haven't lost anyone yet. We have one local doctor who REFUSES to bring his cell phone to the theatre. His staff knows that and they act accordingly. He hasn't lost anyone by going to the movies yet, either.

If you have management who is too incompetent to quickly take and relay an emergency call, then you have a lot bigger problems than cellphones.

And I agree, if people would behave themselves there would be no problem. If they feel they MUST ANSWER before they get to the lobby, why can't they simply pick up the phone and say "Hold it, I'm at the movies" and then go outside, and THEN start talking. It's these cretins that have to yak all the way out of their row and up the aisle that are the real idiots.

The bottom line is, 99% of cell phone calls are completely unnecessary, and could probably be handled after the show is over with no loss of life.

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Leo Enticknap
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I thought this counterargument would come up in the context of doctors. I recently had an argument with my uncle - a retired hospital doctor - about this. He believes very strongly that if mobile 'phones had existed during his working life, then between 3 and 5 lives a year would have been saved by being able to contact him when he wasn't within easy reach of a land line. But despite this, I still agree with Mark, Mike and Gordon - that anyone who is in a situation whereby being contactable is that important should not put themselves in a setting where mobile 'phone use is an antisocial nuisance, e.g. a cinema auditorium.

Point taken that using jammers penalises people who are responsible about leaving their mobiles on silent &c. But there are lots of other situations whereby the mindless minority cause such a big problem that people feel it's acceptable to take action which affects everyone. For example, a speed camera will flash someone doing 2mph over the limit as the result of an atypical lapse of concentration, as well as the yob who thinks he's Michael Schumacher. But the argument for putting the cameras up says that this is an acceptable price to pay for the overall safety benefit. Personally, I believe that argument holds good for installing mobile 'phone jammers in cinemas, theatres, libraries, 'quiet carriages' on trains and mobile-free areas of restaurants. There are so many people who just won't respond to the carrot that the stick has now become necessary.

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Michael Schaffer
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Before cell phone days, doctors on call who came to our cinema would leave their card at the box office and sit in a row where they could easily be found by the staff. I guess people used to do that elsewhere too, and I don't see how that would have worked less effectively than carrying a cell phone. And then they can still carry pagers which probably transmit in a completely different band from the cell phone anyway.

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Dean Kollet
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What's the difference if they have a pager or cell phone in vibrate and they get up to make a call, or someone comes in and tells them they have a call. To me, someone coming in, finding the Doctor and telling him/her they have a call would be more annoying than just having a cell phone on vibrate.

As far as what did they do before cell phones, yes they informed the theatre...but guess what, things change over time. I'd much rather have a person get up and look like he/she is going to the bathroom, without bothering me, and end up saving someone's life.

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Michael Schaffer
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The difference is that you will very rarely if ever actually see a doctor on call get up and run out of the theatre while "normal" people talk on the unjammed cell phones all the time.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote:
I'd much rather have a person get up and look like he/she is going to the bathroom, without bothering me,
If they would just DO THAT, then fine. The problem is these self-important yakkers think they own the place and don't know how to be discreet.

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Jim Ziegler
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quote: Mark J. Marshall
Now if you're suggesting that individuals who receive a call quietly and discreetly get up and excuse themselves, and wait till they get out of earshot of everyone who paid $10 to watch the movie BEFORE they start talking or making noise, then ok. And yes, I admit, that means they will probably have to call the person back because they won't make it to the lobby before the voice mail picks up. Yes, that's called courtesy, and if you suggest people do that, then fine. I'll go along with it. But you know something? That'll never happen.

Well, personally, when I get a call while watching a movie that looks like one I need to take, I flip the thing open as I am walking out, but I don't talk until I am out of the theatre.. This allows me to not miss the call and not annoy anyone else...

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Oh yeah, that'll work.

Always worked for me..

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Leo Enticknap
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So, to summarise, it's perfectly possible to carry around and use one of these things in a way which doesn't piss off others - but virtually no-one can be bothered to do so.

The other thing about doctors is that they are not on call 24/7 (not in Britain, at any rate). Even junior doctors who work silly hours have at least one or two evenings a week when they can leave their 'phones at home and go to the pictures without any problem. Furthermore, when they are on call, they're being paid to be off work but available at short notice (a doctor at a similar stage in his or her career to where I am in mine earns well over double what I do). So I don't really think it's a human rights abuse for cinemas to be off limits on those evenings. If even France, where doctors are treated practically as gods, doesn't have a problem with the jammers, then I say bring 'em on here.

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