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Matt Fields
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Dave-

Chose the Pacifier simply to show how insignificant 100 million dollars is at todays ticket prices...lots of movies called "blockbusters" that make 100 mil are totally forgotten.

Generally I feel Brokeback is more popular with the press then the people, hence the low boxoffice numbers but lots of news stories.

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Eric Hooper
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Well, I just can't believe all of the hateful messages being posted on the Internet. (Just look at the boards for the movie on IMDB.) Makes me sick. [puke] I really feel sorry for these people who feel the need to defend their own homophobia. If the movie is not your cup of tea, then don't go see it. There's also no need to talk about how insignificant 100 million dollars is either.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote:
I mean I DO want to go to heaven ***IF ***there is one!
I don't know about you Phil but I plan on hanging out for quite a while at Judgement City..... eat all I want too, hang out with the babes, and stay at the Hotel Continetal...... [Big Grin] .

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David Stambaugh
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For a movie like Brokeback, I wouldn't call $60M insignificant. And if it does $100M I'd call it a relative blockbuster. It's already successful by any measure and this is good for the movie business. It's all good.

As far as IMDB message boards, with a controversial film, you know in advance what's going to be posted there, so don't bother looking.

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Lyle Romer
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Why is this such a big deal? If Larry Miller doesn't want to play it, that's his right. If somebody doesn't want to go to his theatre because he didn't play it that's his right too.

Not playing a movie because he doesn't agree with the content doesn't violate anybody's rights. Not hiring a person because they were gay does. There is a big distinction between the two.

Do I want to see a love story involving two men? No. Right there you think I'm a homophobe. Do I want to see a love story involving a man and a woman? No. Why? I don't like love stories.

The issue is a business decision. If Larry Miller thinks he will lose more business by playing the film then he will make from playing it, then it is the right decision not to play it. Do I agree with the people that would be so close minded that they wouldn't go to a theatre that played "Brokeback"? No, I don't agree with them but it is their right to feel that way.

Not being political, but rights go both ways. If you are gay you should be afforded all the rights to live your life the way you want to. If you aren't gay you should have the right to not accept the gay lifestyle so long as you don't do anything which violates a gay person's civil rights. The ability to view a particular film at a particular location is not a civil right.

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Mike Spaeth
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quote: Lyle Romer
Not hiring a person because they were gay does.
While you are correct ... it does violate their personal rights, sexual preference is not a federally protected status.

However, anyone that intentionally does not hire someone due to their sexual preference is not running a very good business. Same would go for, say, not hiring blondes. Sure, you could set that policy if you wanted to (it would probably get tested in court), but business-wise, it's a bad policy to be setting. I want the best people working for me, whether they're blue, green, purple, black, white, male, female, shemale, heterosexual, homosexual, S&M enthusiasts, whatever.

BTW, has the "sexual orientation" employment discrimination been tested in court yet? I'm sure one of these days, it'll jump up on the list with race, religion, ethnic background, etc.

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Dennis Benjamin
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I just can't quit these forums...

It is just a friggin movie...........everybody needs to chill out.

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Paul Linfesty
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quote: Lyle Romer
Why is this such a big deal? If Larry Miller doesn't want to play it, that's his right.
Not quite. It is his right to not book the film in the first place. However, if he signed a contract to show it and reneges on that contract at the last minute, it could become an issue with Focus Features since their right to have an exhibition agreement has been violated (although I doubt they'll legally do anything about it).

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Mike Spaeth
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We've been through this. If the distribs can pull at the last minute, why not the exhibs? What goes around, comes around ... I had a booked movie pulled from me on Wednesday this week.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Dennis Benjamin
I just can't quit these forums...
Neither can I...this is getting quite entertaining (lol)

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Eric Hooper
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Jake to Heath: "I wish I knew how to quit you"

Response: Watch "A Knight's Tale", that should do it!

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Kenneth Wuepper
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This item made it to the front page of the arts section in our local newspaper this week. What a great ad for the film. You can't buy front page space on any section for advertising so this article, about 1/3 of the page, amounts to an unpaid ad for the film.

We once had a local promoter who wanted to open a porno film house and it was on the front page for weeks. He gave up the idea when the fire marshal wouldn't approve his second floor screening room because of lack of exits. Advertisement you cannot buy.

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Mike Spaeth
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From http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635175790,00.html

Yanking film shows Miller's inconsistency

By Chris Hicks
Deseret Morning News

Hey, you know this guy. You know him well enough, anyway, to know that his yanking "Brokeback Mountain" from his Jordan Commons theaters was a knee-jerk reaction.
That's car-dealer/Jazz owner Larry Miller, of course.
A week or so ago, after being told by a radio talk-show host that one of his theaters was scheduled to open "Brokeback Mountain" last Friday, and then being apprised of the R-rated film's story — about a pair of cowboys who enter into a gay relationship — Miller decided to cancel his contract for the film.
Unfortunately, it was too late to cancel Friday's newspaper ads, so when people got wind of it, Miller was both vilified and called a hero.
Perhaps I'm alone in thinking this isn't much of a news story — and judging from the ink it's generated, that seems to be the case — but what's the big deal?
And why have people been dropping the c-word . . . "censorship"?
This is not censorship. This is a movie finding itself in three of the county's venues instead of four.
Last Friday, the movie was still playing in three other local theaters — the Broadway downtown, the Century on 3300 South and State, and another multiplex that's right up the road from Jordan Commons, the Cinemark Theatres at Jordan Landing.
Oh, it was probably a dumb thing for Miller to do, especially the way he did it. At the last minute, after the ad was already in the paper, so that people showed up at Jordan Commons to see the film and were turned away.
Turning away customers — that can't be good for business.
And will someone in the mood to see "Brokeback Mountain" really want to settle for "Hostel" or "The Chronicles of Narnia"?
On the other hand, you can get from Jordan Commons to Jordan Landing before you can say, "The Jazz are winning again."
Anyway, let's not kid ourselves. Miller's quick decision was not a business decision. Does it make good business sense to pull "Brokeback Mountain" when it's already on its way to becoming a box-office blockbuster? Especially when you're still showing "The Work and the Glory: American Zion" to a virtually empty auditorium every night?
But, hey, it's his theater. And if he wants to show "The Work and the Glory" on every screen — or sell Edsels in his auto dealerships — that's his prerogative.
I'm not going to get into stone-throwing, as some people already have, about Miller's restaurants serving liquor or his theaters being open on Sunday. Judge not, I say.
But I do find it curious that he pulled "Brokeback Mountain" — a film that has won many awards and is well on its way to being the Oscar front-runner — while allowing others to continue to run, including such indefensible sleaze as "Hostel" and "Grandma's Boy."
On the other hand, if it's just because "Brokeback Mountain" is a gay-themed film . . . and it is, though no one will say so . . . perhaps Miller should become better informed about some of the other products he's selling.
Both "The Family Stone" and "The Producers," which have been at Jordan Commons for several weeks, have very strong gay themes.
And Miller's TV station KJZZ shows daily reruns of "Will & Grace" — a very raunchy sitcom and a prominent gay program — at 6:30 p.m.! That's not just the "family hour" — it's before the "family hour."
It's hard to imagine that he's this ill-informed about the cars he sells.
Still, I don't really care what he does with his theaters — and if he had done what he did a day earlier, no one would have noticed or cared.
What's most noticeable here is Miller's lack of consistency.
Miller's not talking, of course. He'd like this all to go away.
But it would be interesting to hear what made him decide that "Brokeback Mountain" was worse than all these other shows.
That is, if he's even aware of the other shows.

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Brad Miller
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Mark, I will be staying at the Continental too. Lets paint it! [Big Grin]

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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I agree Brad, it sure needs it. I just can't wait for all those fresh shrimps to jump up ona my plate......

Regarding LHM I had contact with some of the guys in the last few days. Some of them seem a bit embarrased by the whole thing but they know it'll blow over pretty soon. Some of them have had to contend with all the media jerks when Larry himself should have given a news conference and laid it to rest himself once and for all. I agree, Larry is a VERY inconsistant person.

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