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Author Topic: Is this year the most underwhelming holiday film lineup ever?
Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Bobby Henderson
Black Swan isn't exactly a mainstream movie
Fox Searchlight did the release.

As for "Tron", we have to remember that the majority of the generation heading to the movie theatres were born in the late 80's - at least 6 yrs after the original release. Thus, they could take the film as itself, but still be driven by curiousity on how it all began - in which they would be now wanting to see the 1982 original.

We "oldsters who were in our prime during the mid 70's were still licking our chomps from the Lucas/Spielberg releases between "Star Wars" and the then big current release from Unversal called "E.T".

"TRON" kinda snuck in to give us a break of another one of their attempts to make a Sci-FI release. At least, this time, it was a bit more mature and more eye catching with the induced CGI graphics that had the audiences spellbound with what was presented than their disasterous 1st attempt (and their first PG rated movie) called "The Black Hole" of 1979.

(On a side note, in late January will be the release of a remake of Chuck Bronson's, "the Mechanic" - the UA 1972 action thriller. This time with Jason Statham is doing Bronsons's role and Ben Foster is doing Jan Michael Vincent's role. Once again, one will prob have to see the 1972 original to see how this new remake will do. See how this one takes off since we are on this basic topic...)

-Monte

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Edward Havens
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Getting back on the original topic...

There were a couple years in the 1980s that equalled or surpassed 2010 as an underwhelming holiday slate of films.

Thanksgiving/Christmas 1985 gave us such classics as Bad Medicine, A Chorus Line, Clue, Death Wish 3, Enemy Mine, Fever Pitch, The Jewel of the Nile, King Solomon's Mines, Krush Groove, Once Bitten, Rainbow Brite and the Star Stealer, Revolution, Rocky IV, Spies Like Us, Starchaser: The Legend of Orin, Target, Transylvania 6-5000 and Young Sherlock Holmes. But, it was also the season that brought us Terry Gilliam's Brazil, so it wasn't a total loss.

1986 wasn't much of a happy holiday at the movies either, but it did bring us the exquisite and underrated The Mosquito Coast, as well as the last theatrical release of Song of the South, so again it wasn't a total loss.

But 1984 was probably the worst year for holiday moviegoing, saved only by the lingering Terminator and Amadeus, still playing as strong in November and December as they were in September and October. The last two months of 1984 brought us City Heat, Dune, Falling in Love, Johnny Dangerously, Just the Way You Are, Micki & Maude, Missing in Action, Mrs. Soffel, No Small Affair, Oh God You Devil, Protocol, Razorback, The River, Runaway, Supergirl, 2010 and the immortal Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo. If it wasn't for Birdy and The Killing Fields, it would have been really depressing.

If you don't remember or have never even heard of most of these movies, consider yourself lucky. There is a reason we remember Beverly Hills Cop and not City Heat, even though the latter features Burt Reynolds and Clint Eastwood in their one and only on-screen matchup.

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Mike Blakesley
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Boxofficemojo has Tron at $43.6M for the weekend. Yogi Bear is at $16M, so I guess we know who wins this battle.

Yogi might hold better over the Christmas break as kids get out of school though.

In other news, here's a sign (if one is needed) that grosses are not as relevant as actual attendance figures: Harry Potter #7 is the second highest grossing Potter film, but the lowest attended. So now the WB honchos are probably crying that they should have made it in 3D.

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Mike Frese
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Mike,

In western Missouri/Kansas it depended if the market was urban or rural. In the bigger cities, Tron significantly outperformed Yogi by at least 3 to 1 and at some of the larger theaters 5-6 to 1.

While towns smaller than 10,000, Yogi outperformed Tron.

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Matt Fields
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My Yogi is over $1000 of my Tron (Both 3D). Rural market.

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John Wilson
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quote: Edward Havens
If it wasn't for (Birdy and) The Killing Fields, it would have been really depressing.
That's funny! [thumbsup]

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Tom Petrov
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quote: Mike Frese
While towns smaller than 10,000, Yogi outperformed Tron.
Of course Yogi is going to perform better in smaller towns, most want to see TRON on the biggest screen possible. I would drive out of my way to see TRON if I had to.

quote: Mike Blakesley
Oooh that really makes it more exciting, considering that most of the Oscar nominations are usually for flop movies.

Notice I mean "flop" as in $$, not as in how good they are.

Oooh, looks like Black Swan is the big winner aside from TRON this weekend. It is grossing $8k per location. The $17million dollar Black Swan has pretty much made its budget back, and its in less than 960 theatres. Black Swan will play well into January.

Also Rabbit Hole and Kings Speech are doing solid business is you have one of the prints.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Tom Petrov
looks like Black Swan is the big winner aside from TRON this weekend. It is grossing $8k per location.
That means very little in the big picture. A limited release that's hyped in the big cities won't necessarily "play in Peoria" as they say. Hell, even Billings Montana can gross $8k PER DAY in their bigger auditoriums when they're playing a hit.

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Michael Coate
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quote: Edward Havens
Thanksgiving/Christmas 1985 gave us such classics as Bad Medicine, A Chorus Line, Clue, Death Wish 3, Enemy Mine, Fever Pitch, The Jewel of the Nile, King Solomon's Mines, Krush Groove, Once Bitten, Rainbow Brite and the Star Stealer, Revolution, Rocky IV, Spies Like Us, Starchaser: The Legend of Orin, Target, Transylvania 6-5000 and Young Sherlock Holmes.
You forgot "Santa Claus: The Movie."

"Young Sherlock Holmes," in my opinion, was a great movie. I believe it would've been a hit had it been cast with movie stars instead of unknowns.

And say what you will about "Rocky IV," but that was a fun opening-day experience and was a huge hit, doing over $100 million at a time when $100 mil meant something. (And as hard as it may be to believe, Sylvester Stallone in 1985 had not one but two films do over $100 million.)

quote: Edward Havens
1986 wasn't much of a happy holiday at the movies either, but it did bring us the exquisite and underrated The Mosquito Coast, as well as the last theatrical release of Song of the South, so again it wasn't a total loss.
"An American Tail"? "Star Trek IV"? "¡Three Amigos!"? "Little Shop of Horrors"? "Platoon"?

quote: Edward Havens
But 1984 was probably the worst year for holiday moviegoing, saved only by the lingering Terminator and Amadeus, still playing as strong in November and December as they were in September and October. The last two months of 1984 brought us City Heat, Dune, Falling in Love, Johnny Dangerously, Just the Way You Are, Micki & Maude, Missing in Action, Mrs. Soffel, No Small Affair, Oh God You Devil, Protocol, Razorback, The River, Runaway, Supergirl, 2010 and the immortal Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo. If it wasn't for Birdy and The Killing Fields, it would have been really depressing.
"Starman"? "A Passage to India"? "The Cotton Club"?

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Edward Havens
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Michael, we all know and remember the hits of each season. I was just illustrating that, compared to this year, the great to crap ratio in the mid 1980s was far worse.

And for the record, no one will ever be able to convince me The Cotton Club or ¡Three Amigos! were either good or successful.

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quote: Edward Havens
Michael, we all know and remember the hits of each season.
We do?

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James Westbrook
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Please pardon me but I'm very easy to distract...
I only recall Mrs Soffel, but not what it's about, because of a customer who showed up to the Fox theater to ask about the movie "Mrs Stoffer".
I recall Christmas 1988 being weak at my theater. We had Ernest Saves Christmas, My Stepmother is an Alien, Cocoon The Return and some Amy Irving movie about her dating some guy who sold pickles. There was a product shortage and our competition locked up Scrooged, Dangerous Laisons, Rainman (?) and the others.

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Adam Fraser
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TRON is yet another huge dissapointment, lowest opening week grosses for us I can remember, averaging 20-30 patrons per night. And its not just us, some other local larger theatres that are showing it 3-5 times daily seem to be averaging 50-60 people for the entire day.

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Mike Blakesley
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Well, the holidays are over and the winner is: James Westbrook!
quote: James Westbrook
I am leaning, somewhat ambivalently, toward True Grit being the main holiday film.
Tron Legacy and Tangled both did more $ but nobody would have predicted True Grit to be such a hit. It shows that a remake can be high quality, be a niche film, be an award winner, and STILL pull good numbers.

It's got to be driving Disney nuts that Tangled is outgrossing Tron Legacy. I'm glad of that, too. It shows that an animated film can still be a musical based on a fairy tale and be a hit.

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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Rentrack figures are out for our area for the past 12 weeks. Overall, on average the entire area is down just shy of 30%!! Product is a big part of it.

If we don't get some decent product soon, everybody's going to be in trouble.

Anyone else seeing this trend?

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