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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Joe Redifer
3D as a luxury? Your post made me LOL.
Where did I say 3D is a luxury? I said it's a premium. An add-on. An extra.

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David E. Nedrow
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quote: Michael M.
The problem is that they over saturated the 3-D market with too many sub-par films and films that had no business being in 3-D (Clash of the Titans anyone?).
Why did CLASH OF THE TITANS have no business being in 3-D? Why does any film have any business being in 3-D?

I do agree that making a crappy film in 3-D, or converting it to such, does not make it better -- or even good. Witness AVATAR.

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Mike Blakesley
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If a film is conceived and shot with 3D in mind, then of course it has "business" being in 3D. Conversions are crappy, apparently. Has anyone ever seen a good one?

My opinion is, if a film is going to have mostly dark scenes (like Potter, LOTR movies, Clash, Pirates, and so on) they should not be in 3D. But, having said that, I've had quite a few people rave about the 3D in Pirates over the last couple of weeks. So who knows?

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Edward Havens
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The Nightmare Before Christmas was a great post-conversion, but that's not the fairest of comparisons for obvious reasons.

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Frank Cox
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Disney CEO defends use of 3D in movies

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RYAN NAKASHIMA
RANCHO PALOS VERDES, Calif.— The Associated Press
Published Thursday, Jun. 02, 2011 2:22PM EDT
Last updated Thursday, Jun. 02, 2011 2:24PM EDT

Disney CEO Bob Iger defended the company’s production of 3-D films Thursday after 3-D ticket sales for several recent movies lagged their predecessors.

It’s “way too early to write 3-D’s epitaph,” Iger said at the D: All Things Digital conference. “I think a lot of conclusions are being reached about a business that’s still relatively new.”

Industry experts point out that The Walt Disney Co.’s fourth “Pirates of the Caribbean” movie and the second installment of “Kung Fu Panda,” from DreamWorks Animation SKG Inc., generated around 40 per cent of their revenue from 3-D screenings, compared with about 60 per cent from earlier films such as “Shrek Forever After” and “How to Train Your Dragon.”

Some analysts trimmed estimates on DreamWorks and 3-D technology company RealD Inc. as a result. Shares of RealD are down about 14 per cent since the weekend, DreamWorks shares are down 7 per cent and Disney shares are off about 3 per cent.

Higher ticket prices and a sense among consumers that 3-D is a gimmick are hurting attendance domestically, an effect that may carry over overseas, where 3-D is still booming.

“We suspect 3-D demand will slow over the coming year overseas as the `novelty’ begins to wear off,’ BTIG analyst Richard Greenfield wrote in a research note Tuesday.

Iger said that 3-D technology must be used in the right way or studios risk annoying moviegoers who are asked to pay a few dollars more for tickets.

“(If) people go to a film on the first weekend and pay the premium that they pay for 3-D and come out either not liking film or thinking it wasn’t worth it in 3-D – you can’t hide that any more. Everybody knows it,” he said. “So I think it has to be used carefully. When it’s used it has to be used on the right film and in the right way technologically and creatively. You can’t just `If you build it they will come.’ You can’t do that.”

Hollywood has been hurt by a slow start this year with revenues from U.S. and Canadian theatres down 8 per cent at $4.02-billion through the Memorial Day long weekend, according to Hollywood.com.

Last weekend, Warner Bros. “The Hangover: Part II” in 2-D debuted at No. 1, hauling in $105.8-million over the long weekend, compared to “Kung Fu Panda 2” in 3-D opening with $62.2-million.


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Ian Parfrey
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Yes! It's a Richard Greenfield Film. [sleep]

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Joe Redifer
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Yeah, why is he the only one allowed to poo-poo 3D?

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Mike Blakesley
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It just floors me that these industry "experts," the ones making millions of dollars a year, actually expected 3-D to keep GROWING and eventually take over the business. While all of us here, who collectively probably make less money in a decade than Bob Iger makes on a weekend, knew that it wouldn't.

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Aaron Mehocic
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They wont let it go until the devolution of film as a medium. When you think about it, 3D is really the only thing they have to offer exhibitors who might still be on the fence about jumping into the digital world. This is a classic case of bait-and-switch. Once 90% of the market has digitized, the studios will drop 3D like a hot potato.

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Manny Knowles
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Are the 2D versus 3D percentages being derived by counting actual people or just the box office dollar values?

If they are comparing box office results, are they including or ignoring the surcharge?

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Louis Bornwasser
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Mike: I've thought that (salary imbalance) for over 25 years. Louis

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David E. Nedrow
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quote: Aaron M
Once 90% of the market has digitized, the studios will drop 3D like a hot potato.
Actually, that hadn't occurred to me, but it sounds plausible.

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Manny Knowles
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quote: Aaron Mehocic
3D is really the only thing they have to offer exhibitors who might still be on the fence about jumping into the digital world.
Totally agree, but I don't think they'll have to wait until the conversion is 90% complete. At some point prior to that eventuality, the studios will start announcing clear plans to phase out film altogether. Once that time-line becomes clear (and near) then the die-hards will have a more urgent reason to convert.

Is cost of conversion an issue? Could digital conversion become cheaper in the coming years? I really don't know. Does anybody have any insight?

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Aaron Mehocic
Once 90% of the market has digitized, the studios will drop 3D like a hot potato.
The studios might drop it as a "marketing tool" but there will still be directors around who want to use it as an "artistic tool." Therefore it will be used as it should be, which should have been the case all along. Then somebody will have a big blockbuster in 3D (Avatar 2, anyone?) and then the cycle will start again.

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Harold Hallikainen
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As long as we're flashing 48 images per second on the screen, would it be better to use it for 48fps 2D than for 3D? Which do you think audiences would prefer? Would it be worth extra money to them?

Harold

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