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Marcel Birgelen
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quote: Steve Guttag
What I REALLY like about Dolby Atmos is that, regardless of theatre shape/size, it scales such that what was recorded is what is played back. There is a lot of capability there.
Well, that's what I've been saying for years. Unfortunately, the Dolby Atmos format isn't a pure object based audio format, it still invites people to take shortcuts and mix stuff into "beds", which are essentially just the "fixed channels".

A pure, object based mix could potentially be rendered optimally on all systems, no matter what the size or shape is, whereas a channel based mix will "forever" be coupled to the channel layout.

The capabilities of Atmos go beyond just movies, it could also be used to recreate a very accurate rendering of an orchestra, for example. There are multiple other examples to be made, but they're all a bit too much out of scope of this already off-topic discussion. [Wink]

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Bobby Henderson
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I would like to see more companies who build amplifiers for movie theater sound systems offer more multi-channel models for use with Atmos and DTS-X. I could be wrong, but I think Dolby is the only company offering amplifiers with 16 and 32 channel configurations. QSC is usually the go-to company for movie theater amps. Their DPA series amps for Q-Sys maxes out at 8 channels per unit. And then there's the factor of bi-amping and tri-amping. I don't know how often that is used in commercial theater sound systems, but it's pretty common with PA systems for live concerts. Anyway, to me that sounds like even more racks filled with amplifiers!

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Marcel Birgelen
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While I'm not immediately a fan, I expect active speakers to become more of a thing, especially when we keep increasing speaker density.

Speakers will then be placed on a bus, probably something like Ethernet. While it would require you to bring power to every speaker, it would eventually decrease complexity in wiring and increase flexibility in deployments.

Disadvantages are obviously the increased weight of those speakers, more active components that can fail and are often hard to reach and the heat getting dumped into the auditorium instead of the booth. While the last one might, in the greater picture, not be a direct disadvantage.

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Bobby Henderson
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IMHO, amps and speaker cabinets should always be kept as separate components. Each piece of equipment is a potential point of failure. Combining the two into one unit is just going to add to the factors of complication and expense.

Systems like QSC's Q-Sys offer flexibility via Ethernet connection without needing to build amplifiers directly into the speaker cabinets. Some of the cabinets, particularly those hung from the ceiling, need weight trimmed to only what's essential.

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Steve Guttag
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Let's try to move this discussion to here:

http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/f16/t003861.html

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Mark Ogden
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Laemmle Theaters has closed the three-screen Music Hall Cinema in Beverly Hills, California. The theatre has been on a year-by-year lease since 2011. Laemmle cited a near 30% downturn in business for the closing, but they simultaneously announced that the company as a whole was no longer up for sale and will go ahead with a new seven-screen theatre in Newhall.

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Bill Brandenstein
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...which I am pleased to report is slowly but steadily taking shape. The Regal monopoly on the Santa Clarita Valley will soon be broken.

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Mark Ogden
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In the continuing saga of New York City's Paris Cinema, Netflix has announced that they have signed a ten year lease for the property. Apparently the site will be pure-play Netflix, theatrical releases, special screenings and the like. While it will be good to see the theatre still in operation, this isn't exactly the outcome that NYC film fans were hoping for, and it still leaves the West Side above 57th Street with a dearth of art/alternative/foreign screens where it once was full of them.

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Cinemark has opened a twelve screen theatre near Willowbrook Mall in Wayne, New Jersey, which largely duplicates the movies shown less than one-half mile away at the thirty-seven year old AMC Wayne 14. I don't patronize AMC anymore for a number of reasons, so this place only a short drive from me is a welcome addition to this area.

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Martin Brooks
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quote: Mark Ogden
it still leaves the West Side above 57th Street with a dearth of art/alternative/foreign screens where it once was full of them.
Maybe if people had actually patronized the theaters, they'd still exist. (Although there are other factors, such as greedy real estate owners raising the rents so high, that a theater could never make a profit.)

People always cry when the theaters close, but they weren't there when it counted. I've been at the closing night of many music clubs and the owners always say the same thing, "if this many people showed up every week, I wouldn't have had to close."

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Jay Glaus
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The Regent Sq. and Harris Theatre(Formerly the Art Cinema) in Pittsburgh Pa. have been closed by the Pittsburgh Film Makers. It was basically a non profit that played art and foreign films. They had a very hard time trying to compete with the Manor in Pgh that was the go to cinema for the art crowd. The Harris was a complete disaster. It was located in the heart of downtown Pittsburgh and is owned the the Cultural Trust which owns Heinz Hall and the Benedum (Formerly Loew'sPenn and the Stanley) and are both Legit Houses. It was only really bought I believe to insure it did not remain a porno house. I would add we used to book and run the Art Cinema(Harris) in the Misty Beethoven era and it threw off huge numbers.

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Mark Ogden
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quote: Martin Brooks
Maybe if people had actually patronized the theaters, they'd still exist.
Believe me, PLENTY of people went to the Lincoln Plaza Cinemas, it was one of the most important arthouse bookings in the country, let alone New York. The same for the Paris under City Cinemas, and the Landmark Sunshine in the Village. These were all landlord closings. It's a tough, low-margin business, and even with great attendance it's unlikely that even a popular theatre can make the kind of rent a NYC landlord is looking for.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Martin Brooks
"if this many people showed up every week, I wouldn't have had to close."
Unfortunately, some exhibitors do this to themselves.

My daughter and I attended an older Regal 10-plex last night. 3 total customers for the 6:40 show of "The Good Liar". Narrow, single-level hallway, dreary paint scheme, leaning stacks of kiddie seats everywhere, unbalanced sound, cold auditorium, image looked like it was shot through a fog, Actual feature started 30 minutes after published start time, inattentive staff (2 of them on their phones), dirty carpets and that stale coconut oil smell throughout the concession. Unimpressed. Won't be back any time soon.

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Martin Brooks
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quote: Mark Ogden
Believe me, PLENTY of people went to the Lincoln Plaza Cinemas, it was one of the most important arthouse bookings in the country, let alone New York. The same for the Paris under City Cinemas, and the Landmark Sunshine in the Village. These were all landlord closings. It's a tough, low-margin business, and even with great attendance it's unlikely that even a popular theatre can make the kind of rent a NYC landlord is looking for.

I think the Lincoln Plaza was a different situation. The basement area apparently needed structural work. The basement area where the theaters were probably would not attract regular retail, so there wasn't much point throwing the theater out unless they were not paying their rent. The marquee is still up and the boxoffice is still there. I think there's a slight chance a theater could come back to that location. I can't imagine what else could be done with the space.

The Sunshine Building was sold to developers who demolished it and Landmark opened another theater on 57th St in its place, although it's all the way over on the West Side Drive and has screens as small as 25 seats.

I don't know what the Paris' landlord was thinking, but Netflix is taking it over, although it won't be open every day.

The real estate industry in NYC is completely nuts. When leases are up, rents can triple or more which is completely unsustainable for most businesses. Then the stores stay empty for several years. Frankly, I'm surprised more theaters haven't closed when their leases are up. It's always surprised me that the big theater chains don't own their real estate.

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Bobby Henderson
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I think places like New York City and certain very high priced California markets are hitting their peak and could face a very steady downward slide for the long term. And that's if this current bubble doesn't pop very suddenly. The long term slide will be over a matter of very simple, obvious population math combined with the status of younger generations.

The Baby Boomer generation is now reaching the age where members of that generation are beginning to die off. As the pace of Baby Boomer deaths increase over this next decade and the 2030's a whole hell of a lot of vacant homes will enter the market. The fear is there will be nowhere near enough buyers for all that spare inventory. My generation (Gex-X) is a lot smaller, and we're getting into middle age. We've already bought our homes if we were going to do that. Millennials are greater in number, but their financial situation on the whole isn't great. Generation Z is coming of age and seems in even worse shape. Home ownership is way out of reach for many of these young adults (especially if they're covered up in mountains of student loan debt).

New York City itself might continue to do okay if its real estate remains popular with international buyers. But many American-born young adults are migrating from cold-climate places in the Northeast US to the Carolinas, Georgia and Florida or West to Texas. International real estate speculators are going to follow that movement.

All these landlords who were quick to close Manhattan theaters and convert them into other types of property, like luxury condos, might in the long run end up holding a whole lot of vacant property no one wants to rent.

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Mike Rivest
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1st cinema in the world to use haptic tech

New 12-plex opens in the Quebec City area, the Le Clap - Place Ste-Foy
Le nouveau Clap voit grand

Translated into the Queen's English
By investing more than $ 10 million to acquire a new state-of-the-art cinema at Place Sainte-Foy, the Clap management estimates that it will be able to present more films and attract 35% more moviegoers by year only in his home of the last three decades, at the Pyramid.

"We are going to take advantage of Place Sainte-Foy," said co-owner and general manager of Le Clap, Robin Plamondon.

It was Groundhog Day, Friday, for the direction of the Clap. A year after opening a cinema in Loretteville, she again invited reporters to visit a construction site, this time in the building that successively housed the Cinema Sainte-Foy, Bovet and Omer DeSerres stores and the restaurant. the Academy.

Even if the place looked like a real shambles, the new Clap will open on December 6th. It will have 12 rooms spread over two floors that can seat between 30 and 250 people, as well as a 60-seat bistro.

More movies

With five more screens than the Pyramid, Robin Plamondon argues that it will make more room for commercial and family cinema while keeping its mission to broadcast auteur cinema.

In addition, moviegoers will no longer have to wait to see films that are already showing in Montreal.

"Before, when movies were successful, like the documentary Tomorrow or Green Book (on screens for 32 and 16 weeks, last year at the Pyramid), it created congestion. "

Techno Arsenal

If he wants the viewing rooms to maintain human grandeur and be friendly, Robin Plamondon is not shy to use the latest technologies, some already in use in Loretteville.

Thus, he claims that the Clap will be the first cinema in the world to use haptic technology, which transmits sound waves in the seats to enhance the immersion of moviegoers.

Canada's unique 4K RGB Super Microperforation Screens and Laser Projector, JBL High Performance Speakers, Reclining Chairs are also part of the next-generation Clap arsenal.

"We want people to have an experience," says Robin Plamondon.

♦ Notice to nostalgic old Clap. It will close its doors definitively on December 1st . You have two weeks left for a last visit to the basement of the Pyramid.

♦ At the Pyramid, employees tore an average of 300,000 tickets a year. The Clap has more than 25,000 subscribers in its two cinemas.

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