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Dustin Mitchell
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1865
From: Mondovi, WI, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-02-2001 12:29 AM
And what about Evans? I know you said current members grandfathered in, but what if someone like him shows up again and is unable to participate since they've never worked in the industry? Correct me if I'm wrong here, but as far as I know, Evans has never worked at a movie theatre, he just loves watching movies. His posts are from the perspective of the customer-a perspective we often overlook. I personally have found his insight invaluable.That being said, I am opposed to rules in general. I know there must be some, but rules are inflexible by there very nature. I deal with enough stupid, inflexible rules at my workplace, I don't need to deal with more of them at my one place of escape.
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Jerry Chase
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1068
From: Margate, FL, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-02-2001 01:01 AM
I notice a number of posts that subscribe to the ideas of "ignore it" or "the posts do no damage and lead to good answers" or "cut the guy a break." Many of the posters here are the same people that state vehemently that "digital isn't ready for prime time" and "we need to strive for excellence in film presentation and accept nothing less." I see a dichotomy of thought.If this is to be a forum for professionals, there has to be a minimum standard of conduct. If it is not a forum for professionals, then that needs to be stated. Ever watch how quickly and casually a top-flite executive will dismiss a person who is wasting their time? That same executive will take months and years grooming someone else who has a grasp of a situation and is willing to learn. Compare the situation to a pitcher of water and two cups. The difference is not the pitcher of water, it is the difference between the cup that holds water and the one with holes in the bottom. I don't dislike Andrew. I do think that he showed repeatedly that he didn't want to learn and his cup was full of holes. Until that changes he has no business being in a forum that caters to professionals in any industry, any more than a kindergartener belongs in a board room. It is just that simple to me. Asking simple questions isn't a big problem. Asking and not heeding responses is. Maybe a lower age limit is an answer. Maybe a mentoring program is an answer. Maybe just sitting back and waiting for natural attrition is an answer. Which is the right answer? I don't know. What I do know is that there is no single answer and not everyone will be satisfied with any answer.
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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.
Posts: 3686
From: Dallas, TX
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-02-2001 01:20 AM
Thank you, Brad, for maintaining a quality place where film people can get together and share valuable experiences and information.If it were humanly possible to limit membership to 16-and-up, that would be great. Anyone under that age should probably be working directly with a mentor anyway. I can say this because I had a mentor who started working with me in the booth when I was 11. Lurking and reading the forums should be a valuable tool to complement working with a mentor. However, membership verification is just not possible without running up Brad's phone bill to verify employment or whatever. It appears that the best thing would be to leave the rules the way they are. Let the lurkers lurk and the posters post. We are all in this forum together and it should be up to us to politely police ourselves (do I sound like a theater manager ranting about MPAA ratings?  ) If someone who should be lurking inappropriately posts, it should be up to the members to point it out publicly. Should the public hints fail, only then should the moderator step in and help out. I'm sure Brad would rather participate than play big brother. The only thing I would change would be adding more to the email I got with my registration information. Add a comment about "please read the FAQ (insert direct link here)" and also include the paragraph from the FAQ that starts with Very Important. It's pretty clear that the members are striving for quality here. I hope we can keep it that way without disrupting the cosmos.
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Sean McKinnon
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1712
From: Peabody Massachusetts
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 04-02-2001 02:45 AM
I too have been anoyed by Andrew's posts but it does seem to me that there is a lot of age discrimination on this forum. My picture makes me look a lot younger than I really am. I think it may be the angle, or the dorky uniform, or the way that im staring dumbfounded at the platter (which was done as a joke I didnt know that the person taking mmy picture was gonna use that one) but ive had people here treat me like im stupid, lets see I was, a projectionist/floor staff, Head Projectionist, and now im an Assistant Manager. I dont think that someone who doesnt have a clue what there doing could have gone this far in the business. Ive dealt with Rectifiers catching fire, dropped prints, I've spun platters by hand for 2 hours to save a show and I get disrespect from forum members here. I know andrew is annoying and hes not a proffesional but scroll up a bit to some other peoples posts, Do these make them look proffesional? So we chased away a youngman who had the potential to someday be a great projectionist or owner. You all say that he didnt know anything and he didnt listen, but look at the way he was responded to sometimes. I think the way that some of you treated him was "UNPROFFESIONAL". Did anyone here offer to "show him the ropes" or did you just say "get a job at a theatre then come back". guys, weve all been there, the manager that didnt like us... etc... This forum is supposed to be for everyone whos interested, not a select few who think there superior to others for what ever reason. Today I am not too proud to be a Film-Tech member.
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Brad Miller
Administrator
Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-02-2001 03:13 AM
Adam, excellent (and a not too difficult modification of code) suggestion for new registrations! I will start working on that one immediately. I can't see anything negative coming from reminding the new members who are receiving their passwords about the policies and procedures in the faq. (Sorry to temporarily interrupt the discussion regarding more suggestions. That one is just so simple and so straightforward that I am surprised neither myself nor anyone else hasn't thought of it sooner.) Sean, I have been toying with the idea of seeing if it is possible to implement new fields for the member profiles. If I can make this work, how about an age and number of years in the business fields? Do you think this may help to cut down on such issues? Anyone have any other suggested field additions? (Also, feel free to send in a different picture any time you wish.)
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Rachel Carter
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 248
From: Gloucester, Massachusetts, USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-02-2001 04:33 AM
I agree with Sean about the age discrimination factor. I'm also a "baby" in this field. I'm 20 and have been working in theaters since I was 13. Although no one on this forum has treated me badly for my age I have experienced this many times first hand.When I was 13 all I wanted to do was open my own theater, I was going to have Stereo sound (take in mind this was 7 years ago), High back purple comfy seats with (oh my) CUP HOLDERS, a rug in the lobby that was black with big yellow (tell me if this one sounds familiar) glow in the dark stars with "Stars" (get it?) names on it. I wanted to have my box office window out side and when you walked in have the concession stand go across the whole lobby until the point where you enter the hall to the theaters. <--- That was my perception of owning a theater at the age of 13. Luckily I got into the business!!! Those aren't the things you think of when you are opening a theater (at least not at first). I think most of us on the forum know this and that is why it was so annoying to see (for example) Andrew’s business plan….OH IF IT WERE ONLY SO EASY! Hey if it WERE so easy, I’d own a theater.  I think Andrew meant well, I really do. That is in no way saying that I didn't find him extremely annoying. Ultimately it is Brads choice what to do with the members he has on the forum, he pays the fee's, he may run it however he likes. Personally I think an age limit of 16 or older would be great. Implementing that rule would be a whole other problem though. Is the task of implementing the rule worth having the rule? That’s a question that only the person implementing it can answer. But hey, Brad, if you’re up for the task, that’s my vote.  Andrew, if you are still reading these posts, good luck with your business but please take in mind all of the advice these people have given you. No one wants you to fail, I'm sure we all wish you good luck.
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-02-2001 05:07 AM
Can't we just let this situation go away?Let's just move on, and learn from our mistakes. We have movies to run and equipment to maintain, as well as a wealth of information to share with each other. Brad has done a superb job with these forums, and if we conduct ourselves in a professional manner, it should not be necessary for Brad to make make new rules and regulations. Since I have been a member of Film-Tech forums, I only saw two people get a little out of hand. Not bad for over 25,000 posts from a membership of 700 + ....In fact, that record is quite impressive! Let's keep this fun for Brad. If these forums become a pain for Brad to administer, WE ALL LOSE! End of story! Grumpy Paul
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John Pytlak
Film God
Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 04-02-2001 09:00 AM
Andrew's postings started many useful discussions. At the age of 13, I was very much like Andrew, with a hunger for knowledge, dreams for my future, and desire to be "grown up". Sincere (but sometimes annoyingly naive) participants like Andrew and Betsie will be missed, since they brought enthusiasm and a "new eyes" perspective to our discussions. Even if their questions and proposals were sometimes "off the wall", they stimulated our thinking, if only to allow us the opportunity to speak with the voice of experience to explain why things are done the way they are.------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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and started ignoring them and only replied to the ones where I felt he could obatin some useful info as it pertains to operating a Movie theatre. I must admit I was probably like him at his age and long before I got into theatre exhibition in 1987 with Cinemark. Although I have only worked, (Been on the payroll) for three theatre chains I can say I wish this forum had been around when I was learning. There is definatley a plethora of knowledge here and I would hate to block anybody from it. If an age limit is impossed I do think 16 is the lowest age that should be allowed to post, as this is the age group most Minumum Wage jobs hire to begin with. As to the fact that there is letters going to Brad about someone else on the forum, I hope that will stop. If I have a problem with something someone says I will either polietly reply to them in a public forum or in a private email. 
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