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Josh Jones
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 - posted 06-19-2002 03:53 PM      Profile for Josh Jones   Author's Homepage   Email Josh Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think people selling "film cells" should be jailed or worse. Its bad enough trying to find trailors for some films without these jackasses chopping them up into 1000 useless pieces

Josh


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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 06-19-2002 04:38 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That's because they are assholes, Josh.

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Thomas Procyk
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 - posted 06-19-2002 04:58 PM      Profile for Thomas Procyk   Email Thomas Procyk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I disagree. What if a trailer is damaged or destroyed by a projector, (or more correctly, an uncareful person operating a projector) but a few "cool" cells are salvageable for "collector's sake"?

I've spent a break or two cutting cells from messed-up trailers I found in the trash. Not to sell, though. I put them in those little binder pages for slides that the NCN people left behind.

Now I know that most of these e-bay people aren't taking their frames from damaged trailers, but I'm sure all people who possess "film cells" are not assholes...

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Adam Wilbert
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I have several slides that i made from trailer cells. Two frames fit perfectly inside a 35mm snap-together slide. Then you can put them into a carosel and watch the movie really really slowly. These were from trailers about to be pitched into the garbage.

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Paul G. Thompson
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Yeah - but selling it on Ebay is being kind of sleazy. Some people will do anything to make a quick buck!

Sorry, Thomas. I stick to my earlier post on this one.



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Brad Miller
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 - posted 06-20-2002 12:07 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Actually the most pathetic part of it all are the morons who are buying these "film cells"! What use is it? What good is it? Does it really have any value? NO! Stupid, stupid, stupid.

This reminds me of the fellow who cut out "posters" from the movies section of the newspaper for something like 30 years and then tried to sell his collection. He wanted something ridiculous like half a million dollars...for newsprint mini "posters"!


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Mitchell Cope
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 - posted 06-20-2002 12:40 PM      Profile for Mitchell Cope   Email Mitchell Cope   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
While I in no way have ever been associated with auctioning, selling or buying film cells, I can see why a movie fan might want to buy one with their favorite actor or from a film they liked a lot. It might make them feel like they own some sort of unique collectible, even if only for personal reasons. Even Fox/Paramount marketed cells from "Titanic" in stores like Best Buy and Wal-Mart. One person's trash is another person's treasure.

Like Brad, I remember someone trying to sell on eBay a notebook of film strips from about ten different trailers. I think they wanted like $300 for it. I don't think they had a clue how worthless those strips were.

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David Favel
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Or the DVD release of 2001 had a cell enclosed

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Michael Brown
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 - posted 06-20-2002 06:27 PM      Profile for Michael Brown   Email Michael Brown   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
About film prints for sale on ebay.

lets take Spiderman as the example.

Its currently selling for £333 (500US)

Does the seller not relalise that the print is worth much much more
-like £15000

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Gerard S. Cohen
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Apropos film clips in scrapbooks, back in the 1960's I drove out
to New Jersey at the invitation of a young couple trying to sell
the stuff their late father had accumulated in his lifetime career as projectionist. They had about 100 projector manuals with parts catalogs,(Each in a carefully labeled manila envelope) an E-7 head, a personal projectioists "bible" he had typed single spaced about an inch thick, and a scrapbook of film clips of all the noteworthy films and different film formats he had ever run. There were odd widths, like 63mm, and film with round sprocket holes, hand-colored frames,
and others I had never seen before. Now that was a wonderful piece, but I was short of funds and space, and suggested they keep the two original books as family heirlooms. About a month later they told me they sold the whole lot for $300.

I watched a reconstruction of Sergei Eisenstein's "Bezhin Meadow" made
from the four-frame film clips of each shot he kept in a scrapbook
as an editing aid. Since the film was destroyed with no other materials extant, these clips enabled the construction of a still-frame version with music and narration added. A valuable addition to film history, and an understanding of the director's art and ideas.

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Dick Vaughan
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Michael

The cost of a standard 35mm release print is no where near £15000 ($22000 US) more like a tenth of that .

For £15K you could "buy" a 45 minute 2D Imax print though

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John Pytlak
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At ShoWest, the Kodak Digital Cinema presentation mentioned that it costs a distributor about $350 per week to supply a 35mm print to a theatre. For theatres showing five shows per day, that means the print cost is only about $10 per show.

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Barry Floyd
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When I bought all of the contents of the projection booth of the Woodzo Drive-In Theatre, I found a box of "goodies" the original full-time projectionist left. It was full of hand-written letters from the owner (in New York) to him (in Newport).. most of them postmarked in the late 60's and early 70's, small notebooks - detailing every film he ever showed at the theatre, how many reels it had, who was the distributors, and when he showed them. I also found in the bottom of the box, a small manilla envelope of his "personal collection" of individual cells he clipped from the movies he showed. Most of the cells were from "porno films", showing only the scenes he either "personally liked" or was not allowed to show, and other cells featuring women in various stages of nudity and un-dress. I would assume, by looking through the calendars of films, it was the former not the latter.

When we pulled the lens cabinet from the wall, we found a hole in the concrete block wall stuffed full of Playboy Magazines from the 60's & 70's.

I have no idea what to do with this stuff, but there's no way I'm gonna part with it.

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Barry Floyd
Floyd Entertainment Group
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(Drive-In Theatre - Start-Up)

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Thomas Procyk
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Paul-- I will agree with you there. As I said, most of them probably did hack up a perfectly good trailer and are rightfully so assholes.

On a side note, what about selling full trailers? I see most trailer auctions end at $1.00 with no bids. This could be a good opportunity for indies or sub-runs to get trailers at a little more than shipping cost. It would be cool if someone started a trailer "re-use/recycle" service, if there weren't copyright or legal issues with the studios.

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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It is my understanding that selling tralers on E-Bay or anywhere else is illegal.
Even if it wasn't, indies and sub-runs shouldn't have to got hunting them down on some internet auction.
And since many trailers these days come with dates on them, the studios should make trailers for the sub-runs with a generic coming soon on them.
But we know that won't happen.

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