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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 06-21-2002 10:09 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Selling trailers is kind of a grey area. On one hand, they are considered to be the property of the distributor; on the other hand, distributors almost never ask for them to be returned (with 20th Century Fox being a notable exception).

My personal feeling is that as long as a) the studio never asked for the trailer to be returned (i.e. the trailers are considered to be "abandoned property") and b) the film is available on videotape/DVD (i.e. it is "licensed for home viewing"), I don't have any moral or ethical issues with selling or purchasing trailers. Whether this is actually legal or not is another question, but no one seems to be making a big deal about the secondary market for movie posters, which are generally handled in the same way by the studios.

In general, donating old trailers to a second-run house seems to be the best approach, since it helps both the studio and the second-run theatre and it doesn't require the first-run theatre to pay shipping charges to return the trailers to the distributor. Ideally, the studios themselves would become involved in "trailer recycling," but we all know that this doesn't happen in most cases.

Obviously, if the studio specifically asks for trailers/posters/etc. to be returned, theatres should comply with the request.

And, yes, anyone who offers a complete print of a current film (or even trailers or posters of a current film)--which almost certainly is either stolen or nonexistant--in a public forum like Ebay is a complete idiot.


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Michael Brown
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 - posted 06-22-2002 07:53 AM      Profile for Michael Brown   Email Michael Brown   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Michael
The cost of a standard 35mm release print is no where near £15000 ($22000 US) more like a tenth of that .

For £15K you could "buy" a 45 minute 2D Imax print though


hmmmm Someone told me before the rough figure 10 to 15k for a 35mm print. So it's more like 1 or 1.5 thousands pounds??


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Thomas Procyk
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 - posted 06-22-2002 12:20 PM      Profile for Thomas Procyk   Email Thomas Procyk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There was a point in time where almost every trailer sent to the theater came with one of those prepaid UPS return labels which I gladly filled out and packed up our "expired" trailers every week to be sent out. Then, they stopped coming! (except from Fox) The trailers began to pile up and were eventually all thrown away. (along with the stack of DTS discs that someone "forgot" to put back in the can!! )

To me, this indicated that the studio didn't care if they got the trailers back or not, since they made no effort in conveying this message (no return labels, no notices included, etc.) and as Scott stated, "abandoned property."

So if the film's initial release date has passed, and the studio/distributor/depot abandoned the property, IMHO the studio shouldn't really have any scrouples with someone selling a month-old trailer for next to nothing. If it should fall into the hands of some Joe Blow from Idaho, he will most likely have no way of projecting or copying it. If it ends up in the hands of an indie or sub-run operator, then the studio gets free advertizing for their film with no shipping costs to them. Either are better than seeing how many trailers it takes to fill a dumpster.

I guess the general rule would be the fact that the film's release date has passed. Anyone selling "Men In Black II" or "XXX" trailers right now should be severely beaten about the face and neck.

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Aaron Sisemore
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 - posted 10-31-2002 11:51 AM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bumping this up for the latest in Ebay idiocy!
here

And it has BIDDERS!

Be Afraid... Be VERY afraid...

-Aaron

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Thomas Procyk
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 - posted 10-31-2002 12:39 PM      Profile for Thomas Procyk   Email Thomas Procyk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What the hell? It's up to $21 now!! I guess we've found a new way for underpaid projectionists to make some money on the side. Sell reels that "actually held a movie"

Things like this pop up from time to time. A while back, someone was selling film cans. Nasty, dirty, banged up cans for $15 each which "may have shipped movies like Casablanca, Gone with the Wind and Titanic." *sigh*

And then there are the people selling film frames (or "cells") for hundreds of dollars, hacked "from an actual print of the movie"

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Ian Price
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 - posted 10-31-2002 12:40 PM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Aaron,

I have like 60 of those "Slit Reels" in my theatre. At $5.95 I could get $357, wow! You don't think Technicolor would mind if I sent back all my prints without cores or reel flanges, do you?

Wow! At $21 I could make $1,260. I think I am going to join E-Bay and bid this pig to the moon.


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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 10-31-2002 12:45 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I guess there is a sucker born every second - instead of every minute....

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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 10-31-2002 01:39 PM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm donating a couple reels and a Goldberg case to Cowboy Pictures. I received "Seven Samurai" (10 reels) from Toronto in 2 4-reel cases (reels) and 1 box (R9 & R10 on cores & plastic tins). Since I have a few extras I'm going to swap them 2 3-reelers for 1 4-reeler and give them a couple reels so it can go out as 4+3+3. I have a feeling that the Toronto festival's inspection & prep people got it all on cores and accidentally gave away the reels and cases. So I might as well make it complete. And I get to keep the cool Japanese plastic tins with central hubs. (See pix in other thread.)

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Gerard S. Cohen
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 - posted 10-31-2002 07:00 PM      Profile for Gerard S. Cohen   Email Gerard S. Cohen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I note that "Gotreel" whose plastic Technicolor reel was fetching $21
when posted, has a great many 16mm and a few 35mm metal and plastic reels and cans in very good condition--some look new--at very reasonable starting prices. Yet most had received no bids. Perhaps he's disposing of stock rendered surplus by the near demise of 16mm film screenings in the home, schools, churches (he's offering Sunday School films as well), industry and business. Already perfectly good used 16mm sound projectors have almost no resale value and are given away or chucked in dumpsters. (A friend gave me a classic USN Ampro and a B&H that people gave to him, gratis.)

There's a nostalgia market for recycled reels, making them into clock faces, and the big 6,000' SS reels into cocktail table tops.

So the two bidders willing to pay $$ for a crappy TES reel are out of
their minds, not the seller, IMHO.


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Jon Miller
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 - posted 10-31-2002 07:31 PM      Profile for Jon Miller   Email Jon Miller   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There's someone in eBay-land who is selling a rusted Goldberg shipping reel (see it here) for an incredible $9.95 starting bid (or Buy It Now, 15 bucks! Wow! ). He couldn't sell it before, so he relisted it at the same price. I'm glad it's only the seller that is wasting his money on this reel (on eBay listing fees), and not ignorant buyers suckered by the magic term "split reel".

I coudn't sell the same reel for a buck, and deservedly so!



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Jon Miller
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 - posted 10-31-2002 07:41 PM      Profile for Jon Miller   Email Jon Miller   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Duplicate post. Mea culpa!


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Leo Enticknap
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 - posted 04-11-2003 05:29 AM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Another eBay idiot can be found here. I tried to e-mail eBay to tell them that this person was offering nitrate for sale without understanding the health and safety issues (for example, if he posts it in the UK without telling the Royal Mail what it is, he could be criminally liable if it ignites in transit). The contact page on their website won't let you do so unless you register with them. I don't want to do that and subject myself to yet more spam. I tried emailing webmaster@ebay.co.uk but that bounced. Does anyone have an email address for them that works?

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Thomas Procyk
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 - posted 09-26-2003 01:23 AM      Profile for Thomas Procyk   Email Thomas Procyk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't know if this classifies as an "idiot," but probably:

1933 FDR POLITICAL CAMPAIGN TRAILER 35MM

Text from the description: (I added the boldness [Wink] )

Rare 1933 political campaign trailer for Franklin D. Roosevelt with Dick Powell singing "Happy Days are Here Again". This is not a copy, but the original 35mm NITRATE trailer from 1933. The film starts with: 1930, 1931, 1932- Out of the years of hopeless Depression there came a great leader to take his people and his country into the sunshine of recovery. Happy Days are Here Again is his ideal and his goal. It is to be the hourly and daily song of a contented and happy people. Franklin D. Roosevelt, statesman and builder. His promises have become realities. He is making the idle man of the street the man of action. Now, he asks you to give your hand in helpfulness. The responsibility is yours. Now more than ever you must help and follow. (Footage of Dick Powell singing "Happy Days are Here Again"). The inspired leadership of President Roosevelt (closes with photo of FDR and American flag). This trailer runs approximately 4 minutes. It's in very good condition, has 16 splices, and some very minor sprocket damage. Mounted on a plastic core. Very rare, 35mm B&W nitrate.
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Hmmm... 4 splices a minute! Very good condition indeed. [Razz]

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Darryl Spicer
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 - posted 09-26-2003 02:13 AM      Profile for Darryl Spicer     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Since nitrate is a dangerous combustable substance the big question is how are they going to ship it cheaply.

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Steve Kraus
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It may be sent FedEx Ground, among others. It's a category 4.1 flammable material. Forms must be filled out and the package carrying appropriate labels. (See the FedEx rule book.)

Or you can just ship it and figure the odds are that it lasted this long it will go for a couple more days.

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