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Topic: Ebay IDIOT ALERT!
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Scott Norwood
Film God

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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-21-2002 10:09 PM
Selling trailers is kind of a grey area. On one hand, they are considered to be the property of the distributor; on the other hand, distributors almost never ask for them to be returned (with 20th Century Fox being a notable exception).My personal feeling is that as long as a) the studio never asked for the trailer to be returned (i.e. the trailers are considered to be "abandoned property") and b) the film is available on videotape/DVD (i.e. it is "licensed for home viewing"), I don't have any moral or ethical issues with selling or purchasing trailers. Whether this is actually legal or not is another question, but no one seems to be making a big deal about the secondary market for movie posters, which are generally handled in the same way by the studios. In general, donating old trailers to a second-run house seems to be the best approach, since it helps both the studio and the second-run theatre and it doesn't require the first-run theatre to pay shipping charges to return the trailers to the distributor. Ideally, the studios themselves would become involved in "trailer recycling," but we all know that this doesn't happen in most cases. Obviously, if the studio specifically asks for trailers/posters/etc. to be returned, theatres should comply with the request. And, yes, anyone who offers a complete print of a current film (or even trailers or posters of a current film)--which almost certainly is either stolen or nonexistant--in a public forum like Ebay is a complete idiot.
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Michael Brown
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Bradford, England
Registered: May 2001
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posted 06-22-2002 07:53 AM
quote: Michael The cost of a standard 35mm release print is no where near £15000 ($22000 US) more like a tenth of that .For £15K you could "buy" a 45 minute 2D Imax print though
hmmmm Someone told me before the rough figure 10 to 15k for a 35mm print. So it's more like 1 or 1.5 thousands pounds??
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Thomas Procyk
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 06-22-2002 12:20 PM
There was a point in time where almost every trailer sent to the theater came with one of those prepaid UPS return labels which I gladly filled out and packed up our "expired" trailers every week to be sent out. Then, they stopped coming! (except from Fox) The trailers began to pile up and were eventually all thrown away. (along with the stack of DTS discs that someone "forgot" to put back in the can!! )To me, this indicated that the studio didn't care if they got the trailers back or not, since they made no effort in conveying this message (no return labels, no notices included, etc.) and as Scott stated, "abandoned property." So if the film's initial release date has passed, and the studio/distributor/depot abandoned the property, IMHO the studio shouldn't really have any scrouples with someone selling a month-old trailer for next to nothing. If it should fall into the hands of some Joe Blow from Idaho, he will most likely have no way of projecting or copying it. If it ends up in the hands of an indie or sub-run operator, then the studio gets free advertizing for their film with no shipping costs to them. Either are better than seeing how many trailers it takes to fill a dumpster. I guess the general rule would be the fact that the film's release date has passed. Anyone selling "Men In Black II" or "XXX" trailers right now should be severely beaten about the face and neck.  =TMP=
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Gerard S. Cohen
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Forest Hills, NY, USA
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 10-31-2002 07:00 PM
I note that "Gotreel" whose plastic Technicolor reel was fetching $21 when posted, has a great many 16mm and a few 35mm metal and plastic reels and cans in very good condition--some look new--at very reasonable starting prices. Yet most had received no bids. Perhaps he's disposing of stock rendered surplus by the near demise of 16mm film screenings in the home, schools, churches (he's offering Sunday School films as well), industry and business. Already perfectly good used 16mm sound projectors have almost no resale value and are given away or chucked in dumpsters. (A friend gave me a classic USN Ampro and a B&H that people gave to him, gratis.)There's a nostalgia market for recycled reels, making them into clock faces, and the big 6,000' SS reels into cocktail table tops. So the two bidders willing to pay $$ for a crappy TES reel are out of their minds, not the seller, IMHO.
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Thomas Procyk
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1842
From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 09-26-2003 01:23 AM
I don't know if this classifies as an "idiot," but probably:
1933 FDR POLITICAL CAMPAIGN TRAILER 35MM
Text from the description: (I added the boldness )
Rare 1933 political campaign trailer for Franklin D. Roosevelt with Dick Powell singing "Happy Days are Here Again". This is not a copy, but the original 35mm NITRATE trailer from 1933. The film starts with: 1930, 1931, 1932- Out of the years of hopeless Depression there came a great leader to take his people and his country into the sunshine of recovery. Happy Days are Here Again is his ideal and his goal. It is to be the hourly and daily song of a contented and happy people. Franklin D. Roosevelt, statesman and builder. His promises have become realities. He is making the idle man of the street the man of action. Now, he asks you to give your hand in helpfulness. The responsibility is yours. Now more than ever you must help and follow. (Footage of Dick Powell singing "Happy Days are Here Again"). The inspired leadership of President Roosevelt (closes with photo of FDR and American flag). This trailer runs approximately 4 minutes. It's in very good condition, has 16 splices, and some very minor sprocket damage. Mounted on a plastic core. Very rare, 35mm B&W nitrate. ---
Hmmm... 4 splices a minute! Very good condition indeed.
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