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Scott Norwood
Film God
Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-25-2003 10:44 PM
As much as I don't like the RIAA (they're right up there with Clear Channel...America's favorite radio conglomerate), I really don't have any problems with their suing individuals who are actually violating their copyrights. That's the way that copyright law is supposed to work. As long as due process is afforded to the accused, I see no problems here. Much better than trying to foist DRM and crap like "copy-protected" (ha!) round shiny disks that happen to play in most CD players (even though they aren't red-book CDs).
I find this to be much more legitimate than, say, trying to shut down the entire Napster (or Kazaa or Gnutella, etc.) service simply because it "might" be used to violate copyrights, a viewpoint which is about as legitimate as banning the use of tape recorders, xerox machines, and the ftp protocol, all of which "might" be used to violate copyrights.
I do take issue with the idea that declining record sales are a direct result of online piracy. There is a wide variety of explanations for declining record sales and it's unfair to claim that it is all resultant from piracy.
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-25-2003 11:31 PM
Scott said:
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I do take issue with the idea that declining record sales are a direct result of online piracy. There is a wide variety of explanations for declining record sales and it's unfair to claim that it is all resultant from piracy.
Scott, I certainly agree. I think some of the main reasons are:
1. Some music is no longer music. It is just some moron flapping his lips in the breeze with a big bass drum making alot of noise. (rap)
2. The price of CD's are too high.
3. Very few CD's don't have more than one (maybe 2) songs that are really worth listening to.
4. Many "new" CD releases are the same as the old ones.....only the tracks are re-arranged in a different order, and it might contain a new song that was a bomb.
5. Much of the new "so called" music is orientated to the little "Punks" and very little is orientated to the main-stream listeners how are in their mid to late '20's and above, which makes up most of the USA population these days.
6. The "Oldies and Goodies" are a thing of the past. Most of that music that was any good already has been purchased by those who want to listen to that stuff.
7. Country music, well, some is OK....but I am not going to buy a CD that has some idiot singing about "how unfair life is threating them" - and that type is mostly being played on our SMN feed for our country format at the radio station.
Of all the years I was with the radio station, I only purchased 2 CD's, One by George Strait and the other by Marty Stewart. To be more specific, Strait's song was "I Want To Dance With You" and Stewart's song was "Then What." The rest was pure crap.
For quite a while, I usually purchased movie soundtrack CD's. However in the last several years, I have purchased "0" soundtracks because the movies didn't have good soundtrack music to begin with.
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 07-25-2003 08:40 PM
OK...RIAA is definately going after those who download music from the internet. So far as of today, the association has issued at least 911 subpoenas according to court records. Lawyers have said they expect to file at least several hundred lawsuits within eight weeks, and copyright laws allow for damages of $750 to $150,000 for each song.
The AP tracked targets of subpoenas to neighborhoods in Boston, Chicago, St. Louis, San Francisco, New York and Ann Arbor, Mich.
Just thought I would pass this along to you. My advice to you is DON'T!!! IMHO, I think it is best to let RIAA kill themselves in publicy, not you. Don't share your MP3 files.
I could be wrong but if some of the RIAA intruders got into your computer, they may not be able to distinguish the difference between a legitimate MP3 from one that is bootlegged. Many radio stations outsource their advertising spots, and they are - yes - you guessed it...MP3 files. As you know, many MP3 files are not "stamped" like they are in the digital media simply because they were re-recorded from analog devices such as cassetts, vinyl, reel-to-reel, etc. But it is still a MP3 file, and that's what they seem to be looking for.
I am under the impression RIAA targets special people - namely the ones who cannot affort to fight it in court because they simply do not have the money or resources to do it. Whether this is true or not depends on what side of the fence you are on.
Here is the article, it may be worth your effort to read it.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/132350_downloadingmusic25.html
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 07-26-2003 02:24 AM
Even if the RIAA succeeds in getting most Internet users to quit apps like KaZaa en masse, they will do NOTHING to keep record sales from continuing to slip.
Those morons are holding onto a business model that has not been relevant at all for nearly TEN years. Who the hell wants to spend $20 on a plain vanilla music CD when you can buy two DVDs for the same amount of money?
There's too many choices for entertainment anymore. Back in the early 1980's when the CD format was first launched there was little to compete with it. You didn't have digital satellite TV, X-Box, PS-2, DVD, HDTV and all sorts of great ways to waste your time on the Internet back in 1983.
The music industry has to reinvent their product. The bare bones CD format should be DEAD. It is not worth $7 much less a $19.99 asking price. If they want $20 for a disc, it needs to have features matching DVDs that sell for the same price (music videos, multimedia, documentaries, lyrics, concert schedules and lots of other stuff). They're doing little to support the DVD-A and SACD formats which feature better copy protection and music file sizes far too large to upload to the Internet. I cannot think of any major music act that releases titles on CD and DVD-A or SACD day and date (at the same time). It seems all that you can buy on DVD-A is 20-30 year old classic rock albums and symphony orchestra recordings.
My honest opinion: the music industry deserves to go out of business. This kind of blatant complacency and anti-consumer arrogance deserves pretty harsh punishment.
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Mike Blakesley
Film God
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From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 07-26-2003 02:21 PM
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The music industry has to reinvent their product. The bare bones CD format should be DEAD. It is not worth $7 much less a $19.99 asking price. If they want $20 for a disc, it needs to have features matching DVDs that sell for the same price (music videos, multimedia, documentaries, lyrics, concert schedules and lots of other stuff). They're doing little to support the DVD-A and SACD formats which feature better copy protection and music file sizes far too large to upload to the Internet. I cannot think of any major music act that releases titles on CD and DVD-A or SACD day and date (at the same time). It seems all that you can buy on DVD-A is 20-30 year old classic rock albums and symphony orchestra recordings.
- How can a CD be "not worth $7?" Music albums have cost more than that for at least 25 years, since an album consisted of 35 minutes of music and would wear out after a few plays if not treated with special care. The perceived "quality" of the music on an album has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what it sells for. One persons garbage (i.e. rap) is another person's favorite music.
- I don't know why people keep harping about "$20" being the price for CDs. Anyone paying that much for a CD is an idiot. I was in a Costco two nights ago and there were plenty of current CDs there for $12.49. Anyone who pays more than $15 for a current title is simply a poor shopper.
- Why would anyone want a lot of extra crap on a music disk? When I buy a CD, I buy it FOR MUSIC, not a bunch of extra nonsense that I may look at once, if ever. The vast majority of people do not listen to music plunked in front of their TV or computer. Extra stuff belongs on DVDs, which are designed to be "watched," not music CDs. They are and should continue to be two completely different products.
- Having said the above, there ALREADY IS plenty of extra content on many current CDs. The new Metallica for example, comes with a bonus DVD of the entire album performed live, and a web key to dozens of downloadble songs. The Avril Lavigne CD comes with video, lyrics, photos, etc. The new Fleetwood Mac album (which WAS released day-and-date to DVD-A) comes with studio footage, a web link, lyrics, etc. The new Shania Twain disk comes with a second CD containing "pop mixes" of all the songs. The new Linkin Park comes with a 17-minute short film, a 40 page book, web access and "more." This kind of thing is more and more common with new CDs. Packageing is getting more elaborate all the time. And all these albums are at the regular CD asking price. Yet people continue to gripe.
- Why has the industry been slow to adapt newer formats? Possibly because the stores don't want to stock everything in 12 different configurations. More configurations = less choice of different titles for the consumer. And, who wants to stock a format that "might" play in every player, when we already have a widely-accepted format that "will" play in every player?
- Besides, SACD and DVD-A don't offer enough of a jump in quality over CD (for the average listener) to make them worth pushing. Remember, 99.9% of listening is done on crappy boom boxes and car stereos with no treble.
- There is not a business in this world that doesn't have security measures and locks on its doors, yet the music industry is the "bad guy" just because they want to protect their product and stop the theft of it. This baffles me. Nobody complains when a department store prosecutes a shoplifter!
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heads. I don't know why they are so concerned. Most of the music isn't worth the actual price of the raw CD anyway, let alone 20 bucks a copy.
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