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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 08-28-2002 06:37 PM
Claude wrote: "I have a couple of feet of 70mm film from "THE JAZZ SINGER" and about a couple of frames from "OUTLAND", "YES GEORGIO" and "SOUTH PACIFIC" and the color on all of them is majenta."Any 70mm prints made on Kodak print film AFTER the early 1980's should still be looking very good, even if stored at room temperature. Even the acid environment from possible mag-stripe related vinegar syndrome should have less of a detrimental effect on the improved dyes:
http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/about/chrono4.shtml
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/about/chrono3.shtml "Outland", "Jazz Singer" and "Yes, Georgio" just predate the improved Kodak technology by a year or two. FWIW, I have photographs of my daughter printed on a non-Kodak paper in the late 1970's that have virtually no cyan dye left, and many Kodak prints of the same age and stored identically that are almost unchanged. For prints with the older print film dye technology, storing them cool, dry and vented (or sealed with Molecular Sieves) will help slow the fading. As always, proper washing during processing (low residual thiosulfate and correct emulsion pH) is a significant factor in long term dye stability. ------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
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Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
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Bill Gabel
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From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA
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posted 08-28-2002 06:50 PM
70MM on Hollywood Blvd.Then in the 80's Mann's Chinese Theatres #1 DP70 (2 machines) CP200 (full boat)
#2 DP70 (2 machines) CP200 (full boat)
#3 DP70 (2 machines) CP200 (full boat)
Mann's Hollywood Theatre Simplex 35/70 prototype (1 machine) CP100
Mann's Vogue Theatre DP75 (1 machine) CP100
Mann's Fox Theatre DP75 (1 machine) CP100 Pacific's Cinerama Dome JJ2 (2 machines) CP200 (full boat)
Pacific's Hollywood Pacific #1 JJ (2 machines) CP200
#3 JJ (1 machine) CP200
Pantages Theatre DP70 (4 machines) CP100
Paramount Theatre DP70 (2 machines) CP200
UA Egyptian Theatre #1 DP70 (2 machines) CP200 (D150 screen)
Now in 2002
Mann's Grauman's Chinese #1 DP70 (2 machines)
(do not know if any of the other booths are 70mm equiped in this plex) Pacific's El Capitan JJ3 (1 machine) DLP also
Pacific's Cinerama Dome FP75 (2 machines)
(do not know if any of the other booths are 70mm equiped in this plex)
Pantages DP70 (4 machines) Egyptian Theatre main house DP70 (2 machines)no longer D150 equipped AMC's Hollywood Galaxy Vic 8 (3 machines) 3 houses equipped Yes, Batman was in 70mm. I saw the prints at Mann's Village and Bruin
and Chinese theatres.
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Mike Schindler
Phenomenal Film Handler
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From: Oak Park, IL, USA
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 08-28-2002 10:21 PM
"Theaters were told not to pull in there masking for these presentations."Why not? Also, I'm curious about the 6-track sound formats. Am I right in thinking that the first film to have 3 front channels and 2 surrounds is APOCALYPSE NOW? If so, was that the point at which this configuration became more common than 5 front channels and 1 surround, or did this happen later? Also, is there any way of easily finding out which movies were in which format (maybe a website or something)?
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Paul Linfesty
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From: Bakersfield, CA, USA
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posted 08-28-2002 10:42 PM
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Then in the 80'sMann's Chinese Theatres #1 DP70 (2 machines) CP200 (full boat)
#2 DP70 (2 machines) CP200 (full boat)
#3 DP70 (2 machines) CP200 (full boat)
Mann's Hollywood Theatre Simplex 35/70 prototype (1 machine) CP100
Mann's Vogue Theatre DP75 (1 machine) CP100
Mann's Fox Theatre DP75 (1 machine) CP100
In the early 80's, at least, the Hollywood, Vogue and Fox were all using changeovers with two projectors each, even for 70mm shows. Actually, I never saw any platter projection at any of these theatres, although I think the last time I was in one of Mann's smaller houses in Hollywood was 1984 (the Vogue). The last time I was at the Chinese I (Harry Potter) i could only see one projector in the new upstairs booth. If the Vogue had a DP 75, I wonder what happened to the original 70mm projectors they installed in 1959 for the LA debut of The Big Fisherman and also used for Born Free? Wasnt the DP 75 only introduced in the late 60's?
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Paul Cassidy
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Auckland, New Zealand
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 08-29-2002 01:11 AM
I thing I remember about 70mm was that when ever a 70mm film was advertised was that they were very popular , Last one being "Ben Hur" and "2001 a Space ....." the only thing that the public here missed out on was that these cinemas were not real 70mm cinemas , they used a normal 35mm screens although at the Mid City complex this was a HUGE screen , but when showing in 70mm you could see it was cropped to fit the screen and the lamp houses did not seem to be adjusted to suit the larger aperture , all the true 70mm had turned to dust by the time people became interested in Large screen format again , we had 3 true 70mm in Auckland , the "Plaza" DP70 and first Todd AO "Oklahoma" "Sound of Music" "Ryans Daughter" , the "Cinerama" although I was too late to see a 3 panel ,my first Cinerama being "The Greatest Story Ever Told" ,"Those Magnificent Men in There.....Machines" "It's a Mad Mad........" "Star Wars" and the "Embassy" with "West Side Story" ..... so for me I would like to see a true 70mm return to our city , Wellington still has a true 70mm in the "Embassy" where "lord of the Rings " Premiered in 35mm , I even used to go to the "Cinerama" to see 35mm films just to see that Huge screen masked down and there were some good 35mm shown there "kelly's Hero's" "Deliverance" "Solent Green" but I was sad to see the Curved Screen go (they said that Licence problems prevented them from using the Cinerama Lenses and Screen) I later learned that the distortion when showing 35mm was the reason but I never noticed any problems when viewing in this way ????
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Michael Coate
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From: Los Angeles, California
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 08-29-2002 01:45 AM
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There's some interesting 70mm-related information included in the book FUTURE NOIR: THE MAKING OF BLADE RUNNER by Paul M. Sammon (Harper/1996), including an implication by the film's producer that no U.S. cities ever actually screened the film in 70mm!
Paul Linfesty wrote in response to the above quote:
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The implication is wrong.
I agree. This example in the Blade Runner book illustrates just how unreliable memory can be. I mentioned it to see what type of discussion could be generated. I found Future Noir: The Making Of Blade Runner to be an outstanding book and a must-read for any Blade Runner fan. However, like any massive research project, the final product is not free of errors. Based on the nature of how information is compiled, however, the errors can't (or shouldn't) always be attributed to the author. One humorous subjective goof in the book (again attributed to someone's memory) that I can't resist not mentioning is an item explaining how the release date of Blade Runner was selected (June 25, 1982). Alan Ladd, it is explained, selected that date based on the good luck he felt that same date brought him with the openings of Star Wars and Alien while he was at 20th Century Fox prior to forming The Ladd Co. Well, he remembered the "25" part correctly. Alien and Star Wars were both released on the 25th of *May* in their respective years of original release! As to whether any 70mm prints of Blade Runner actually made it to some theaters, well, we've seen a couple recollections in this thread suggesting they did. As far as newspaper advertisements go, I have notations from searches or photocopied ads with 70mm engagement notations for the following cities: Los Angeles:
Westwood (Bruin)
Hollywood (Hollywood)
Pasadena (Hastings) Seattle (theater ?)
San Francisco (Coronet)
Chicago (Esquire)
New York (theater ?) VARIETY mentioned ten prints being released for Blade Runner. I listed above locations of seven (assuming the ads were correct). Gordon mentioned Toronto a few posts back; that would make eight (assuming he was referring to an original engagement and not a move-over or special screening). A 70 also seems to have played in London, but I don't know if that print was among the ten mentioned in VARIETY.
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