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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 09-23-2002 05:17 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When did MGM ask filmmakers to budget for 70mm? I seem to remember MGM being the ones that got Douglas Trumbull so disillusioned about the commercial filmmaking process that he retired from doing any regular film work to concentrate on ride films. He wanted to shoot "Brainstorm" entirely in Showscan, but wound up having the project whittled down to a mix of 35mm and 65mm.

What argument did the studios have in the 1980's not to shoot in 70mm? Many. Most of the camera systems around at that time were very old. 65mm film stocks were very limited. So were the lenses. Steven Spielberg explored the possibility of shooting "Empire of the Sun" in 65mm. After examining what cameras and equipment were available the idea proved infeasible.

In 1989, theatrical 65mm camera systems began a dramatic improvement when Arri released their model 765 camera. Wilcam came out with a new Showscan camera. Panavision developed the Super Panaflex in the early 1990s. These modern camera systems, the lenses that go with them and the newer film stocks Kodak developed have largely gone wasted.

Nearly all of it is to blame for 35mm digital sound print formats being developed at the same time. At least Cinema Digital Sound had a 70mm version. But Dolby has never had any plans on accomodating the 70mm gauge with a 70mm version of Dolby Digital. Same goes for Sony, even with all their nostalgic anecdotes about Todd-AO and its "five up front" audio format. Both companies may have patents on the books about a 70mm SRD or 70mm SDDS process. But they have made no moves to develop film readers or the items needed to get the audio bitstreams printed onto 70mm.

The film exhibitors themselves are just hammering the final nails into the coffin of the glorious format by removing all the 70mm projection hardware.

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Paul Linfesty
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As stated in my previous post, I read this in the late 80's (maybe VERY early 90's). BRAINSTORM was under production in 1981. MGM was basically saying they would consider 65mm production if budgeted in the proposals.

BTW, Douglas Trumball doesn't seem to have a problem with shooting electronically these days:
http://www.filmandvideomagazine.com/Htm/homeset.htm


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Steve Kraus
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I wasn't questioning the wisdom of having backups, only whether I would bother with it in place and threading through it each show when this mode of failure would seem low enough probability and a show would be down only briefly while it was swapped out. Then again, if you'd still want the 2nd player "live" there is the tradeoff of whether to just go ahead and set up as you have done or bother with the TC splitter accessory as an extra expense and another thing that can go wrong.

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Per Hauberg
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Steve ( & Steve )

DTS Paris has now told me, that Play Time in 70mm has been running in 6 different theatres since the Cannes Festival, bookings warying from 2 to 6 weeks. All using one reader/unit only, and no failures.
That's comforting. -and the solution with an extra reader, ready to chance, must be enough for a small budget then.

Then i only need a final "go" from the distributor in Paris. -Hope to show Play Time medio november --on the glorious 15 feet giant screen and allmost full stereofonic sound --

Next dream would be having both Patton and LOA coming this way, but the chances are less than small, i'm afraid.

Per

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Brad Miller
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Per, for your special shows, you might want to consider borrowing a UPS battery backup off of someone's computer to plug the dts unit in to. Should there be a line level fluctuation that would make the dts glitch, the UPS will prevent it and keep your show on screen. If you're going to be using one deck, it's cheap insurance.

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Per Hauberg
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Brad>> And a Film-Tech Flux Capacitor, maybe...
Now it really sounds fun...
Who was it, talking about nostagia a happy times no long ago - Just put in the film and push the button, Max !

p.

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David Stambaugh
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Question for anyone who's actually seen one of the new LoA 70mm prints...

I'm sitting here listening to the LoA Original Soundtrack CD, "newly restored edition", (c)1990 Arista Records, on Varese Sarabande #VSD-5263. This is probably the version of the musical score that was used for the 1989/1990 reissue/restoration of LoA. I saw one of those shows in L.A. in 70mm 6-Track Dolby. My memory of that show is that the image quality was astounding, but the music sounded shrill and harsh to me. I attributed this mostly to the theater's sound system. Now I'm listening to this CD, and it sounds very similar: kind of harsh, shrill, and even somewhat distorted. It's very listenable, but far from perfect.

Can anyone characterize the sound quality, especially the music, from the newly-minted LoA prints currently making the rounds?

And has anyone had the luxury of comparing the sound of the mag tracks at the Dome in L.A. to its DTS counterpart?



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Paul Linfesty
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Well, let's wait till it opens tommorow at the Dome to find out! As for me, Im planning to see it Saturday (along with 2001 and the "Brand New" 70mm print of "Hello, Dolly."

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Steve Kraus
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Remember of course that Patton, if you get it, is 6-track Special Venue DTS. No big deal though if you have the newer player and the full B chain.

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Per Hauberg
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"Brand-new Dolly" - My god ! Where is that...
Talk about beautiful ToddAO pictures - and great sound.
Do enjoy !

Per

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John Pytlak
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Hello Dolly!
http://www.egyptiantheatre.com/archive1999/2002/70mm.htm

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Thomas Hauerslev
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Per,

Just to let you know, you have the info right here in your back yard at: 70mm screenings

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Cheers, Thomas
www.in70mm.com
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Bernard Tonks
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I would like to see in 70mm again is "Doctor Zhivago". I first saw this film at the Empire Theatre, Leicester Square. Picture and sound was still in perfect condition after a run of nearly three years. Philips DP 70s.


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Paul Linfesty
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Thomas,

are you sure about the DTS format for 2001? THE last time the Cinemateque showed the new print, it was Dolby SR encoded Todd-AO format mag tracks. The same was true of the other print circulating on the East Coast.
And the Dome's showing of Lawrence of Arabia is also 6-track mag, although some of the new prints are DTS.


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Charles Everett
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Lawrence of Arabia finally opens today in NYC. The ad in this week's Village Voice answers our questions:

The 40th Anniversary Presentation
Newly Remastered Digital Sound. Fresh 70mm Prints in Select Locations.

And yes, the Ziegfeld will run Lawrence in 70mm/DTS.


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