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Sean McKinnon
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Peabody Massachusetts
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 - posted 11-05-2002 01:10 AM      Profile for Sean McKinnon   Author's Homepage   Email Sean McKinnon   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Joe,

I undertsand your comment but I am in "management" and I do not consider myslef a "Moron". I will agree that there are a percentage of managers who do not understand the booth, or what proper presentaion is for that matter but some of us do. What if I said "If 90% of projectionists were managers then all theatres would go broke." That is not true and it is not true that 90% of managers are morons... ony 85%.

Unfortunately sometimes your hands are tied. Say you have a movie like 8 Mile that you know will do good business at your tiny ten screen and you only have one print. You have take the opportunity to get as many rear ends in the seats as possible because you have budgets to meet etc.. So you schedule say only a half an hour between shows and say you have 300 people in the lobby waiting and 3 people watching the credits? I think the reasonable policy in this situation would be to start cleaning but ONLY BEHIND anyone who is still the theatre and as quiet as possible. Business is not a perfect world, and unfortunately theatres are a business. You have to do what you have to do sometimes.


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Leo Enticknap
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 - posted 11-05-2002 02:27 AM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Steve - you're right, normal conversation isn't the issue. My bugbears are (i) the ringing noise, (ii) the constant 'bleep-bleep-bleep' as people (usually teenage girls) type in text messages, and (iii) people feeling the need to shout into their mobile 'phones at twice the normal speaking volume. You have a lot of people in a very enclosed space on trains, and with 5-10 of them at it in a carriage the noise drives me crazy.

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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 - posted 11-05-2002 04:44 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sean,

I certainly am not saying that you are a moron. You may fall into that 10 (or 15) percent. 10 percent of so many people is still quite a large amount. And I wasn't referring to the amount of knowledge that managers have of the booth. I am referring to the way many managers treat customers.

Again I am not saying that you are a moron, but all managers will insist that they are not morons!

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Martin Brooks
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 - posted 11-05-2002 11:13 AM      Profile for Martin Brooks   Author's Homepage   Email Martin Brooks   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Same type of person who takes all the credit for projects that they were not involved with (projection service work) and reaps the promotions and financial rewards w/o passing anything down to those who actually made it happen.

Don't you know the six stages of any project?

1. Enthusiasm
2. Disillusionment
3. Panic & Hysteria
4. Search for the Guilty
5. Punishment of the Innocent
6. Praise & Honors for the Non-participants

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Jesse Skeen
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 - posted 11-05-2002 01:48 PM      Profile for Jesse Skeen   Email Jesse Skeen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
...noticable automation cues! This includes the reflective or barcode tape that flash on the screen, or improperly placed outboard cues that cause the picture to shift to the side and/or drop out the digital sound!
Also people who work at theatres who don't know or care about what they're doing.


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Frank Angel
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I feel so strongly about the credits as being part of the film that even when our Executive Director asked if I would turn down the sound at, get this, the end credits in WEST SIDE STORY, so one of the board members could make a speech, I refused. He should have been bitch slapped for even suggestion to cut that 4 minute reprise of the Bernstein score. Not only wouldn't I turn down the music for some stupid suit to give a speech, but I wouldn't bring up the house lights either. If the patrons want to leave, let them do it with just the isle and runner lights -- if they whack a shin bone, well, hey, thems the breaks -- sometimes the movie gods seek painful retribution for people who disrespect The Credits!

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Joe Redifer
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quote:
If the patrons want to leave, let them do it with just the isle and runner lights -- if they whack a shin bone, well, hey, thems the breaks -- sometimes the movie gods seek painful retribution for people who disrespect The Credits!

So according to that we should respect the credits and disrespect the customers who pay our checks and keep the theater operating? I just want to make sure I am understanding this correctly. You are saying that the safety of the customers who choose to leave during the credits doesn't mean anything compared to the list of people who worked on the film being displayed on the screen? Does this only apply to West Side Story or does this attitude towards people potentially getting hurt apply to all movies? Is it just in your theater? How about a theater with stadium seating where it is much easier to fall? Should we not be concerned about potential lawsuits and safety regulations in general, so long as we are respecting the credits? Please clarify your statement, because that is one of the craziest things I have ever heard in terms of our paying customers. God forbid anyone want to leave during the credits!

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David Stambaugh
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 - posted 11-05-2002 05:42 PM      Profile for David Stambaugh   Author's Homepage   Email David Stambaugh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The fact is 95% of moviegoers get up and leave as soon as the credits roll, which is their right. Providing adequate lighting for their safety as they exit is a no-brainer.

Just let the credit-watchers do so in peace though.

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Ray Brown
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 - posted 11-05-2002 08:01 PM      Profile for Ray Brown   Author's Homepage   Email Ray Brown   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jeeeze guys I was just joking. Guess I should have thought twice before I typed that comment out. (Long day at the regular job and in a hurry to go watch Monday Nite Football) Didn't expect to come back to this 24 hours later.

To tell you the truth, I could care less either way if people watch the credits or not. I let them roll uninterupted untill the closing studio logo. I even had one guy sitting back and rock out to the closing music of XXX and found that very entertaining. I'm usually busy trying to catch the tail as it is coming thru the projector and not let it hit the floor.

Even though the theater has good isle lighting, I do beleive in raising the house lights at least half way for safety purposes.

Sorry if I offended anybody.

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Josh Jones
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 - posted 11-05-2002 09:29 PM      Profile for Josh Jones   Author's Homepage   Email Josh Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Perhaps I jumped the gun a bit myself.

sorry.

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Steve Kraus
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back to the topic...


...people using "it's" when it should be "its". As a possessive (something that belongs to or is associated with something else) there is no apostrophe just like there is none in "his" and "hers." It only gets an apostrophe when it is a contraction of "it is" so if you imagine substituting "it is" in your sentence and it doesn't sound proper then drop the ' because it doesn't belong.

Of course when I make one of my myriad typos it's (yes, this passes the "it is" test so the ' stays) because I am just testing you!

"Now quit your jaw jacking and listen up! Mail Call will be right back!-- R.Lee Ermey


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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 11-05-2002 11:24 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
>>"The fact is 95% of moviegoers get up and leave as soon as the credits roll, which is their right."<<

Now where is THAT written in the Constitution? I don't think you will find it..the Right to leave during credits has not been approved by any state that I'm aware.

However, I think credits are much like a bibliography to a book...good for reference but in no way part of the story and non-essential. Back in the good old days...it was just THE END and possibly followed by "The Players."

Put the credits in the beginning and let it go at that...people will sit through those. Heck, it can be kinda fun to see just how far into the film the credits go. Some films intersperse them on and off for most of the 1st reel.

Steve

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 11-06-2002 12:59 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Now Steve, you're just being picky. I think the point he was trying to make is that there is no law that says a moviegoer HAS to stay in their seat until the credits are over. Same thing, slightly different wording.

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Manuel Francisco Valencia
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 - posted 11-06-2002 01:59 AM      Profile for Manuel Francisco Valencia   Email Manuel Francisco Valencia   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just a few thoughts.

For those that consider the credits to be non-essential or not a part of the movie at all then it would be alright for the projectionist to cut it off and splice them back on at breakdown time and absolutely no one will have a problem with it or just place the outboard cue at the beginning of the credits.

OR

It is a part of the movie and if ushers come in and clean be it behind or infront of the customers making noise, the projectionist stopping the projector, customers blocking the way as they are leaving, etc. then the customers should be able to get a refund.

BUT

Both of these do not fly (sorry for being a little extreme). Many of us would say certain things and react in different ways to the scenarios above. This seems to be one of those things that a good reason could be given to go both ways.

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Paul G. Thompson
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Ray, I edited my post. I think you were "hammered" enough...


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