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Pete Wolla
Film Handler

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From: Tioga, ND, USA
Registered: Jan 2003

posted 04-04-2004 09:40 AM

i think we here in the north could do without daylight til 11:00pmin late june and early july

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System Notices
Forum Watchdog / Soup Nazi

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posted 08-03-2005 09:10 PM

It has been 486 days since the last post.

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Greg Anderson
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Ogden Valley, Utah
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 08-03-2005 09:10 PM

So... the U.S. Congress and President are about to change the start and end dates for Daylight Saving Time here as part of an overall bit of "Energy" legislation. [Mad]

The "rules" for Daylight Saving Time have been the same for about 20 years in the U.S. and, now that so many of us have several gadgets that change automatically based on the "old rules" there's going to be an all-new set of rules. [Roll Eyes]

So I'll have to manually adjust the time on all the computers I use, on my GPS receiver and probably a few other things I haven't thought of yet. Sigh. I suppose my atomic clocks will be okay because they get their cues from the master clock in Colorado.

But the reason for extending Daylight Saving Time is, supposedly, that Americans use 1% less energy during Daylight Saving Time. However, that claim is based on a 30-year-old study and the author of that study was on TV last week saying that he doesn't think the data is any good anymore. D'oh! Meanwhile, kids around here will go to school in the dark for a couple of extra weeks in the Fall, airlines are all concerned about coordinating their international schedules, etc.. Thanks a lot, paternalistic government, for pretending you can alter time itself! Meanwhile, here in Utah, "high noon" actually occurs at about 1:30pm for most of the year.

Just had to get that off my chest. I'm sorry if anyone else actually read all of it.

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Adam Wilbert
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From: Bellingham, WA, USA
Registered: Mar 2002

posted 08-03-2005 10:13 PM

I noticed that the majority of people who don't like daylight savings time live in the sunbelt areas. Utah, Texas, California... Try living up here, where it gets dark at 4:30 in the winter and stays light well into the nine o'clock hour in the summer. Switching my clocks is way easier than dealing with the mindf*ck the sun puts us through.

Greg, I haven't kept up on all the hub-bub, but why are "kids going to school in the dark for an extra couple of weeks"? Isn't the time extension earlier in the fall and later in the spring?

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Paul Mayer
Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under!

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From: Albuquerque, NM
Registered: Feb 2000

posted 08-03-2005 10:33 PM

Other way around. The spring change will occur three weeks earlier and the fall change one week later than it does now. It doesn't take effect until 2007 though.

Personally I think this change is more than a bit silly. But this congress is good at doing silly things.

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 08-03-2005 10:52 PM

Sorry...but pick a time and stick with it. Its 24 hours in a day, no matter how you cut it. Daylight hours are shorter in the winter time, longer in the summer time and depending where you live on this planet it will be very much more dramatic, regardless of how you shift the clock.

Personally, I find the whole DST thing just plain stupid. While I would have no problem adopting the present DST as the standard time, I see no point of moving the clock about twice a year.

As for some...Indiana just adopted the DST (yes folks, they have survived without resetting their clocks all this time)...just think, with any new legislation, they will have to change their rules yet again!

Is this really all the congress has to do? I mean, are things just so perfect that time was spent on this and a bazillion other waste of time legislations? If so, they should recess more and legislate less...they need to be in touch with the people the represent more (and I mean the voters...not the damn lobbyists).

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John Hawkinson
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From: Cambridge, MA, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 08-03-2005 11:26 PM

It's unlikely you'll have to update computers -- as long as you take any operating system patches/fixes that are issued by the vendors, they will update themselves. Plenty of time for that between now and 2007.

Steve: this legislation is just a really small part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 (HR.6/S.10). Like everything, somebody means well...

--jhawk

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Darryl Spicer
Film God

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From: Lexington, KY, USA
Registered: Dec 2000

posted 08-03-2005 11:54 PM

quote:
Daylight saving time in the U.S. always ends a few days before Halloween. A bill to extend DST to Halloween is proposed almost every session of Congress, with the purpose of providing trick-or-treaters more light and therefore more safety from traffic accidents. Children’s pedestrian deaths are four times higher on Halloween than on any other night of the year Also, for decades, candy manufacturers have lobbied for a daylight saving time extension to Halloween, as many of the young trick-or-treaters gathering candy are not allowed out after dark, and thus an added hour of light could mean a big holiday treat for the candy industry.

history of daylight savings time

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William Hooper
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From: Mobile, AL USA
Registered: Jun 99

posted 08-04-2005 12:31 AM

quote: Steve Guttag
Personally, I find the whole DST thing just plain stupid.

Personally, I find the whole 'Heat Index' thing just plain stupid. Tying the thermometer to humidity & trying to cast it as some ersatz new chatty point for the audience to form an attachment point to a weather report is abominable. Weathermen who repeatedly vomit "It's 93 degrees, but it feels like 100!" need to be shaken violently by orangutans until they stop. Guess what? The higher the humidity, the more uncomfortable some folks are.

If it's 93 degrees, you feel like it does when it's 93 degrees! THAT'S WHAT 93 DEGREES FEELS LIKE!

Soon people won't be able to figure out what the temperature is outside when the thermometer says 93, until the weatherman tells them what it feels like.

Not that I want to drift off-topic here.

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99

posted 08-04-2005 03:24 AM

William please stay on topic or I will BAN you AND your mom.

Steve is right. DST is stupid. This new change will surely save the world, though. We have limited amounts of electricity! It is not renewable and is hard to recycle. If we can't dig up new electricity in the middle east, I don't know what we'll do.

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Brian Michael Weidemann
Expert cat molester

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From: Costa Mesa, CA United States
Registered: Feb 2004

posted 08-04-2005 03:55 AM

I'm the only one I know who knows off-the-top-of-my-head when the current changes are without having to wait for the news or the memo posted in the employee breakroom to tell me. The Sunday closest to Halloween and April Fools' Day. Simple!

Now I'm going to join the ranks of the general public and wonder when the heck I'm going to be early or late for work two Mondays a year? Geez.

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Leo Enticknap
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From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000

posted 08-04-2005 04:09 AM

The 'DST is stupid' arguments for and against get trotted out every October here, too. Main argument for keeping DST: lighter in the mornings, so less chance of road accidents in rush hours. Against: having that extra hour in the afternoon reduces big industrial energy consumption. Personally I find that last weekend in October very depressing when it suddenly goes pitch dark by about 6pm and knowing that in a month or so's time, it'll be dark when I leave for work and dark again when I get back; but without DST that would just happen for longer in the Spring, so I guess it's horses for courses. As Greg points out, the real problem is that when one country changes its system unilaterally that can cause international time difference issues. Europe is already in chaos for the three weeks or so in late September/early October, because the DST changes at different times in different countries. Typical - about the one thing that the European Union could usefully make a law to standardise, it leaves alone.

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Richard Greco
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From: Plant City, FL
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posted 08-04-2005 08:59 AM

Ummm, doesn't it get dark at the same time anyway, regardless if we turn the clocks back. It is going to get dark naturally anyway...Right?

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Leo Enticknap
Film God

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From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000

posted 08-04-2005 09:18 AM

Right - so the point of DST is try and make the light that we have happen at the time we can make the most use of it.

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Greg Anderson
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Ogden Valley, Utah
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 08-04-2005 11:27 AM

quote: John Hawkinson
It's unlikely you'll have to update computers -- as long as you take any operating system patches/fixes that are issued by the vendors, they will update themselves. Plenty of time for that between now and 2007.

But this is going to be a big Y2K issue for lots of folks who aren't very good at getting updates and patches. Plus, there are plenty of software vendors (and not just the guys who make operating systems) who choose simply not to support older software at all. So I have some ancient software (from the late 1990s) which calculates world time zone data. When I whine to the vendors about a "patch" they'll tell me to just buy the new version which I otherwise would never need. Just like the switch to digital-only TV broadcasts, this is going to blindside a lot of people. Will the people who are so worried about oil consider lost productivity when they brag about a 1% saving?

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