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Author Topic: Your Website Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-09-2004 04:56 PM                        Send me the project file and I'll re-render it at whatever res you want!  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 04-11-2004 12:39 AM                       Woah! Thanks, guy!  |  IP: Logged Braden Mailloux Film Handler Posts: 19 From: Sonoma, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2004 posted 04-12-2004 04:15 PM                    I must say that I have never streched any font before. Whatever jackasss did that . that is just prfound laziness  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-12-2004 05:49 PM                     Font murder happens all the time. You don't have to look far at all to find it. It's in newspaper ads, phone book ads, signs, business cards, brouchures, etc. Here's a graphic of two types of Font Murder I posted in a recent thread: Font murder even shows up on TV or in the movies. Colin Quinn's show, "Tough Crowd" on Comedy Central squeeze murders various sans-serif typefaces (usually a heavier weight of ITC Avant Garde). This kind of thing is largely the fault of computers. Vector drawing programs, page layout programs and even Photoshop allow users to distort type. You can apply slanting effects to mimic an italic weight of a font, even though the result often just doesn't look right. You can stretch it or do whatever other distortion you want. But just because the tool is there doesn't mean people need to be using it, at least for the purpose of murdering fonts. Those deformation tools are there for more subtle approaches. The old analog ways didn't allow that to happen. If you needed an extended weight of Eurostile, you couldn't just stretch it in the Photostat camera. You had to go buy sheets of Microgramma in that rub off Letraset stuff, or spend some money buying the font for a Compugraphic machine if the higher-ups would allow it. People are so freaking spoiled these days.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-12-2004 05:55 PM                        What's wrong with Arial (printed normally, not squeezed/stretched)? Is it just that it's way over-used, or is there something else wrong with it?  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-12-2004 08:15 PM                     I don't like Arial for a variety of reasons. Arial is often the font of choice for wannabe designer hacks (typically those making cheap outdoor signs) to use in acts of font murder. I'm just sick of seeing Arial. It is overused. And to me it is just a sign of lazy design. Even users who have Microsoft Office have a much wider choice of fonts from which to choose. Why not scroll down the font list and grab Verdana or Trubuchet? Arial is a mongrel font which copies the metrics of Helvetica while trying to unsuccessfully grab style cues from Helvetica, News Gothic, Univers and Akzidenz Grotesk. It is basically a font without any decent flair to it. For all the plain-ness of Helvetica, at least Helvetica still looks "clean." Being a plain looking font, Arial doesn't even manage that very well. Finally, Arial was a way for Microsoft to cheap-out instead of licensing better type. At least when Apple launched the Macintosh they paid Linotype to license Helvetica out for their platform. Graphic designer and font artist, Mark Simonson wrote a pretty good article about "The Scourge of Arial" which goes into more detail about Arial pretending to be Helvetica (and doing so badly) along with more details about Microsoft and Monotype cheapening type for the PC platform. The article is at this link: http://www.ms-studio.com/articles.html  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 04-12-2004 11:04 PM                     Trajan needs to be used more.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-13-2004 02:25 AM                        Font murder...What gets me these days is magazines who are so busy trying to be "artsy" that they make pages impossible to read. Entertainment Weekly, Rolling Stone and Premeire (I subscribe to them all) are guilty of this frequently. Visually interesting is one thing, but when you have to actually STUDY a page to figure out how to read it, that takes the "recreation" out of reading a mag. And Boxoffice, a couple of years ago they started going nuts with color, putting orange text on green backgrounds, or putting gray text on top of a color picture...it's improved some, but that mag STILL looks like crap half the time.  |  IP: Logged Brian Michael Weidemann Expert cat molester Posts: 944 From: Costa Mesa, CA United States Registered: Feb 2004 posted 04-13-2004 04:54 AM                        I grew quite sick of Times New Roman. It just looks so friggin' DEFAULT to me. There are tons of nice, serif, body fonts out there. Garamond, anyone? I'm a fan of Dutch ... hmmm, today it's Dutch809.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-13-2004 03:13 PM                     It is rare to see Times or Times New Roman used in any kind of an interesting way. Dodge made good use of it in their ads. The movie title logo for "The Matrix" is just Times New Roman chopped up and deformed. Dutch 809 is Bitstream's pretty decent imitation of Berthold's Concorde. Not to be confused with the condensed Concorde Nova. Dutch 809 and ITC Weidemann is included in CorelDRAW, along with nearly 1000 other fonts, primarily from Bitstream and ITC. I laugh at graphics people who turn up their noses at Corel, not realizing the program is a steal just for the font collection. Magazine design is truly messy. I saw a recent cover of "Rolling Stone" featuring Outkast. The cover design was just plain messy looking. I know they were trying to grab some retro 1970's funky style. But they just don't get it. Why not find some vintage magazines of that age and branch off what they did? To do it quick, set some type in Gill Sans or ITC Busorama for the readable stuff and blast up some funky headlines in the wavy Stilla or Motter Femina. That'll grab that "glam" look. Or make some letter designs using that for inspiration. I forgot to add this part. Some magazines do have some decent design. There's a couple travel magazines that look good. I like some of the stuff in ESPN magazine. There's a lot of strong graphic design in there, and much of it is well organized. On top of that, the magazine is BIG. I remember when Premiere Magazine first hit the news stands back in the late 1980's. The magazine was large and well put together. Now the rag is a shadow of its former self, merely about the same size as an issue of Time magazine rather than the bigger Life. Freaking cheap skates. [ 04-14-2004, 09:54 AM: Message edited by: Bobby Henderson ]  |  IP: Logged Brian Michael Weidemann Expert cat molester Posts: 944 From: Costa Mesa, CA United States Registered: Feb 2004 posted 04-14-2004 12:57 AM                        Yeah, many of my typefaces came from the install of Corel's WordPerfect, my first choice in word processing. Unfortunately, the conversion process between WordPerfect and Microsoft Word is so poor, I end up using Word more often, just to save editing time later.  |  IP: Logged

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